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Re: [OT] Re: Banned on NANOG
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Richard Irving)
Sat Dec 4 15:17:56 2004
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 15:22:07 -0500
From: Richard Irving <rirving@antient.org>
To: Alex Bligh <alex@alex.org.uk>
Cc: Paul Vixie <vixie@vix.com>, nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <0FD2CD291192C726D4CC407E@[192.168.100.25]>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
Alex Bligh wrote:
> --On 04 December 2004 17:35 +0000 Paul Vixie <vixie@vix.com> wrote:
>
>> third and last, there are a number of principles up for grabs right now,
>> and the folks who want to grab them aren't universal in their motives or
>> goals. some folks think that rules are bad. others think that susan is
>> bad or that merit is bad. some say that rules are ok if the community
>> has
>> visibility and ultimate control.
>
> I'd add: if people don't like NANOG, demand a full refund for your
> year's membership. Then go set up your own mail-server and work out your
> own moderation policies. If you do a better job, you'll win clueful
> subscribers.
Don't confuse historical momentum, with a fair set of rules,
base fallacy.
Susan has been more than a touch heavy handed and biased
on occasion in the past.
I myself won a -=>reprieve<=- from a banning, as it
was determined to have "politically motivated", circa 2001.
And, just to be fair, I have -lost- a challenge to a Susan
originated "6 month banning", as well.
It seems controversial subjects may trigger
suppres^^^^^suspension of speech. :P
Dissing Bush backed agendas appear to be one of the triggers.
(See current Doonesbury, this is not a limited trend, BTW ;)
http://images.ucomics.com/comics/db/2004/db041201.gif
I seem to recall one of my/Susans trigger points was to call
the US politicians attempting to create the anti-spam
laws, "a bunch of ineffective idiots, attempting to legislate
that which needs to be solved with technology."
[ So, it has been a while after passing the laws,
look around..... Was I really that wrong ? ]
But, it didn't matter, it wasn't politically correct at the
time... and I only came off ban a couple months back.
Caution -is- suggested, no matter how right you are,
it -is- their list.
So, my suggestion, dissent with -extreme- diplomacy.
Remember, the Kings of old weren't too keen on dissent,
and if it wasn't for the Court Jester, the opposing view would
-never- have been heard.
Regular People kept "losing their heads" over dissent...
Only the giggling cartwheeling fool could get away with it....
;)
http://images.ucomics.com/comics/db/2004/db041202.gif
So Caution, History -has- been known to repeat itself.
Might I suggest a really colorful jingly hat ?
:)
< G >
> Alex
