[74405] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Cisco moves even more to china.
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Alexei Roudnev)
Fri Sep 24 01:09:25 2004
From: "Alexei Roudnev" <alex@relcom.net>
To: "Joe Johnson" <jjohnson@jmdn.net>, <nanog@merit.edu>
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:08:31 -0700
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Support, do not support... In realiity, Cisco today is not Cisco 5 years ago - it rapidly became very common and fat
company. One of the reasons - outsourcing (instead of having 10 good engineers here, they use 100 bad engineers in
India... /not beause Indians are worst, but because having 100 engineers, you will always have most of them bad).
So, let's just wait a little.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Johnson
To: nanog@merit.edu
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: Cisco moves even more to china.
While it is certainly an operational issue if there are no operators left (or on the flip side, too many), I think
even that is quite a stretch.
Perhaps the economic discussion can be completed elsewhere?
Joe Johnson
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From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:24 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Cc: Suresh Ramasubramanian
Subject: Re: Cisco moves even more to china.
Hello Suresh,
I appreciate and respect your opinion. Please offer me that same respect in kind. I am aware of the fact of our
diverse global economy and only think as many in US do we should be fair and equitable to all parties WORLDWIDE.
Respectfully yours,
Joseph
Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh@outblaze.com> wrote:
Joseph [23/09/04 18:53 -0700]:
> Don't Support Outsourcing
I suggest you lead by example.
> Don't buy from companies that outsource US jobs. Be very vocal and
Now please go unplug all your cisco and juniper equipment.
Then open up your servers and remove all the RAM / hard disks etc that are
made in Malaysia / Taiwan etc.
Oh wait - check the labels on your clothes. The last Macy's I visited had a
whole lot of shirts / trousers / underwear that had US brand names but were
all made in Vietnam / China / Bangladesh etc. You might want to strip them
off and wear just your own, all american skin.
Sheesh. Please take it to Lou Dobbs, or if you have any more rational
arguments than these to advocate what looks like a boycott of cisco
equipment, please take it to somewhere like Dave Farber's IP .. lots of
posters there love to beat this dead horse even more than you do.
srs
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Support, do not support... In realiity, Cisco today =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>So, let's just wait a little. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 23, =
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
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an operational issue if there are no operators left (or on the flip =
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many), I think even that is quite a =
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
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Behalf Of=20
</SPAN></B>Joseph<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">Sent:</SPAN></B>=20
Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:24 PM<BR><B><SPAN=20
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Ramasubramanian<BR><B><SPAN=20
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> I appreciate and respect your=20
opinion. Please offer me that same respect in kind. =
I am=20
aware of the fact of our diverse global economy and only think as =
many in=20
US do we should be fair and equitable to all parties WORLDWIDE. =20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Joseph [23/09/04 18:53 -0700]:<BR>> =
Don't Support=20
Outsourcing<BR><BR>I suggest you lead by example.<BR><BR>> Don't =
buy from=20
companies that outsource US jobs. Be very vocal and<BR><BR>Now =
please go=20
unplug all your cisco and juniper equipment.<BR><BR>Then open up =
your=20
servers and remove all the RAM / hard disks etc that are<BR>made in=20
<st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:country-region=20
w:st=3D"on">Malaysia</st1:country-region></st1:place> / Taiwan =
etc.<BR><BR>Oh=20
wait - check the labels on your clothes. The last Macy's I visited =
had=20
a<BR>whole lot of shirts / trousers / underwear that had US brand =
names but=20
were<BR>all made in <st1:country-region=20
w:st=3D"on">Vietnam</st1:country-region> / <st1:place=20
w:st=3D"on"><st1:country-region=20
w:st=3D"on">China</st1:country-region></st1:place> / Bangladesh etc. =
You might=20
want to strip them<BR>off and wear just your own, all american=20
skin.<BR><BR>Sheesh. Please take it to Lou Dobbs, or if you have any =
more=20
rational<BR>arguments than these to advocate what looks like a =
boycott of=20
cisco<BR>equipment, please take it to somewhere like Dave Farber's =
IP ..=20
lots of<BR>posters there love to beat this dead horse even more than =
you=20
do.<BR><BR>srs<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE>
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