[74404] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Cisco moves even more to china.
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Joe Johnson)
Fri Sep 24 00:18:20 2004
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:15:59 -0500
From: "Joe Johnson" <jjohnson@jmdn.net>
To: <nanog@merit.edu>
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While it is certainly an operational issue if there are no operators
left (or on the flip side, too many), I think even that is quite a
stretch.
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Perhaps the economic discussion can be completed elsewhere?
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Joe Johnson
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________________________________
From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of
Joseph
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:24 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Cc: Suresh Ramasubramanian
Subject: Re: Cisco moves even more to china.
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Hello Suresh,
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I appreciate and respect your opinion. Please offer me that same
respect in kind. I am aware of the fact of our diverse global economy
and only think as many in US do we should be fair and equitable to all
parties WORLDWIDE. =20
=20
Respectfully yours,
Joseph
Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh@outblaze.com> wrote:
Joseph [23/09/04 18:53 -0700]:
> Don't Support Outsourcing
=09
I suggest you lead by example.
=09
> Don't buy from companies that outsource US jobs. Be very vocal
and
=09
Now please go unplug all your cisco and juniper equipment.
=09
Then open up your servers and remove all the RAM / hard disks
etc that are
made in Malaysia / Taiwan etc.
=09
Oh wait - check the labels on your clothes. The last Macy's I
visited had a
whole lot of shirts / trousers / underwear that had US brand
names but were
all made in Vietnam / China / Bangladesh etc. You might want to
strip them
off and wear just your own, all american skin.
=09
Sheesh. Please take it to Lou Dobbs, or if you have any more
rational
arguments than these to advocate what looks like a boycott of
cisco
equipment, please take it to somewhere like Dave Farber's IP ..
lots of
posters there love to beat this dead horse even more than you
do.
=09
srs
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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operational issue
if there are no operators left (or on the flip side, too many), I think =
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that is quite a stretch.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] <b><span =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September =
23, 2004
9:24 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> nanog@nanog.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Suresh =
Ramasubramanian<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Cisco moves =
even more
to china.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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12.0pt'> I appreciate and respect your opinion. Please =
offer
me that same respect in kind. I am aware of the fact of our =
diverse global
economy and only think as many in US do we should be fair and equitable =
to all
parties WORLDWIDE. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Joseph<br>
<br>
<b><i><span style=3D'font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Suresh =
Ramasubramanian
<suresh@outblaze.com></span></i></b> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Joseph [23/09/04 18:53 -0700]:<br>
> Don't Support Outsourcing<br>
<br>
I suggest you lead by example.<br>
<br>
> Don't buy from companies that outsource US jobs. Be very vocal =
and<br>
<br>
Now please go unplug all your cisco and juniper equipment.<br>
<br>
Then open up your servers and remove all the RAM / hard disks etc that =
are<br>
made in <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:country-region =
w:st=3D"on">Malaysia</st1:country-region></st1:place>
/ Taiwan etc.<br>
<br>
Oh wait - check the labels on your clothes. The last Macy's I visited =
had a<br>
whole lot of shirts / trousers / underwear that had US brand names but =
were<br>
all made in <st1:country-region w:st=3D"on">Vietnam</st1:country-region> =
/ <st1:place
w:st=3D"on"><st1:country-region =
w:st=3D"on">China</st1:country-region></st1:place>
/ Bangladesh etc. You might want to strip them<br>
off and wear just your own, all american skin.<br>
<br>
Sheesh. Please take it to Lou Dobbs, or if you have any more =
rational<br>
arguments than these to advocate what looks like a boycott of cisco<br>
equipment, please take it to somewhere like Dave Farber's IP .. lots =
of<br>
posters there love to beat this dead horse even more than you do.<br>
<br>
srs<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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