[72113] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: BGP list of phishing sites?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Barak)
Tue Jun 29 22:40:42 2004
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:40:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Barak <thegameiam@yahoo.com>
To: Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@muada.com>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <C9F28E03-CA2E-11D8-9359-000A95CD987A@muada.com>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
--- Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@muada.com> wrote:
> > The principle has been analogized to describe
> larger
> > systems and items, and is a useful but not always
> > completely accurate metaphor. It is entirely
> possible
> > to observe some things without affecting them.
>
> Is it? If I want to look at you, I must bounce
> photons off of you.
> Similar stuff needs to happen for other types of
> observation. This may
> not have a very large effect on you, but there is
> _some_ effect.
for some value of _some_, right? ;)
I agree that there is an affect, but not necessarily
due to the observation itself: consider a webcam.
Whether I am observing you in the camera is not
dependent on my interacting with you per se: the
photons were already on their way from you to the
lens. You could argue that those photons cause a
change, but I would respond that the photons would
have caused that change regardless of whether they are
measured.
Perhaps some beer and philosophy at the October
meeting?
=====
David Barak
-fully RFC 1925 compliant-
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