[71776] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Can a customer take IP's with them?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Chris Ranch)
Wed Jun 23 13:19:26 2004
From: Chris Ranch <CRanch@Affinity.com>
To: nanog@nanog.org
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:16:20 -0400
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From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Chris
Ranch
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:12 AM
To: 'alex@nac.net'
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Can a customer take IP's with them?
Hello Alex,
> > In other words, customer is asking a court to rule whether
> > or not IP space should be portable, when an industry-
> > supported organization (ARIN) has made policy that the
> > space is in fact not portable. It can be further argued that
> > the court could impose a TRO that would potentially negatively
> > affect the operation of my network.
>
> A court will likely decide this based upon the terms of
> your contract and what the court thinks is fair. They will
> likely give very little consideration to common practice or
> ARIN's rules.
That's the crux of the biscuit. Your case depends on whether you
provided for this in your contract with the customer. If its missing,
you have a big challenge on your hands. No RFC or ARIN policy is a
binding legal document. If its there, your chances are much better.
So, do you discuss non-portable address space assignment in your
contract?
Where was this case filed? NJ or federal court?
Do let us know how it turns out. This will establish a key legal
precedent.
Chris
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n Behalf Of Chris Ranch</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:12 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: 'alex@nac.net'</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: Can a customer take IP's with =
them?</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hello Alex, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > In other words, customer is asking a court =
to rule whether </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > or not IP space should be portable, when =
an industry- </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > supported organization (ARIN) has made =
policy that the </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > space is in fact not portable. It can be =
further argued that </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > the court could impose a TRO that would =
potentially negatively </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > affect the operation of my network. =
</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> A court =
will likely decide this based upon the terms of </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> your contract and what the court thinks is =
fair. They will </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> likely give very little consideration to common =
practice or </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ARIN's rules. </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>That's the crux of the biscuit. Your case =
depends on whether you </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>provided for this in your contract with the =
customer. If its missing, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>you have a big challenge on your hands. No RFC =
or ARIN policy is a </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>binding legal document. If its there, your =
chances are much better. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>So, do you discuss non-portable address space =
assignment in your </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>contract? </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Where was this case filed? NJ or federal =
court? </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Do let us know how it turns out. This will =
establish a key legal </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>precedent. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Chris </FONT>
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