[71378] in North American Network Operators' Group
QOD: Which is worse - Spam or Attacks?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Pete)
Sun Jun 13 14:54:31 2004
From: "Pete" <crossfire@smsonline.net>
To: "NANOG" <nanog@merit.edu>
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:53:54 -0400
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
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a.>Spam is a relative issue that consumes a fixed percentage of =
everyone's time. [ DONE ]
b.> Ddos, Syn, Udp and Ack Attacks are limitless and ever consuming, =
there is no sure fix without blocking and even then the blocking must be =
additionally carried up the upstream or peers.=20
What makes matters worse is that ISP's such as SBC don't publish their =
NOC's telephone number, due to anti spam complaints. Yet, one of their =
clients can be infected with the pound-it-up-your-ass worm and whipping =
up a wicked Ddos Attack on anyone within the same class "a" and their =
subsequent peers. You' will have to send the SBC NOC a Fax!. And if they =
feel like it, they will call you back?
I hosting many bulk websites over the years, but at all times our =
contact information was correct and we answered the telephone. Granted, =
I may have been impolite to some folks but, I did shutdown sites upon =
request too. We did not tolerate anyone that used invalid information =
and tossed them out just as soon as we found them or were notified of =
the problem.
So, I put these question on the floor . . .=20
How is it that a small web-hosting ISP can be condemned for not handling =
their clientele as spammers. On the otherhand the "fat-dog" ISP's can =
blantantly state that they deny access and using misleading information =
are not held to the same standards. And in-fact are not even using any =
port filtering to prevent their clients from infecting the world?
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>a.>Spam is a relative issue that =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>b.> Ddos, Syn, Udp and Ack Attacks =
are limitless=20
and ever consuming, there is no sure fix without blocking and even then =
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blocking must be additionally carried up the upstream or peers. =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What makes matters worse is that ISP's =
such as SBC=20
don't publish their NOC's telephone number, due to anti spam complaints. =
Yet,=20
one of their clients can be infected with the pound-it-up-your-ass worm =
and=20
whipping up a wicked Ddos Attack on anyone within the same class "a" and =
their=20
subsequent peers. You' will have to send the SBC NOC a Fax!. And if they =
feel=20
like it, they will call you back?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I hosting many bulk websites over the =
years, but at=20
all times our contact information was correct and we answered the =
telephone.=20
Granted, I may have been impolite to some folks but, I did shutdown=20
sites upon request too. We did not tolerate anyone that used =
invalid=20
information and tossed them out just as soon as we found them or were =
notified=20
of the problem.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So, I put these question on the =
floor . . .=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>How is it that a small web-hosting ISP =
can be=20
condemned for not handling their clientele as spammers. On=20
the otherhand the "fat-dog" ISP's can blantantly =
state that=20
they deny access and using misleading information are not held to =
the=20
same standards. And in-fact are not even using any port filtering =
to=20
prevent their clients from infecting the world?</FONT></DIV>
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