[64817] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Sabotage investigation of fiber cuts in Northwest
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Mon Nov 3 10:18:45 2003
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 07:14:12 -0800
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
To: "Douglas S. Peeples" <dpeeples@talabs.com>,
"'Brian Bruns'" <bruns@2mbit.com>,
"'Henry Linneweh'" <hrlinneweh@sbcglobal.net>,
"'Vincent J. Bono'" <vbono@vinny.org>, nanog@merit.edu
Cc: "'Sean Donelan'" <sean@donelan.com>
In-Reply-To: <000a01c3a20c$83d94f30$0200a8c0@dpeeples21>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
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Please tell me what phone companies you've been working with. As a rule,
the ones I've experienced build whatever is the path of least resistance
and often do stupid telco tricks like folded rings and single entries into
buildings unless you stand over them with a bull-whip and insist that
they do better.
I'd love to know of a telco that does this right without having to stand
over them.
Owen
--On Monday, November 3, 2003 8:15 AM -0500 "Douglas S. Peeples"=20
<dpeeples@talabs.com> wrote:
>
> What you describe is a folded ring and is indicative of either a =
temporary
> solution or bad network design. As a rule, phone companies and capacity
> suppliers build very robust systems.
>
> Douglas S. Peeples
> Technology Assurance Labs
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of
> Brian Bruns
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 7:39 AM
> To: Henry Linneweh; Vincent J. Bono; nanog@merit.edu
> Cc: Sean Donelan
> Subject: Re: Sabotage investigation of fiber cuts in Northwest
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Henry Linneweh
> To: Vincent J. Bono ; nanog@merit.edu
> Cc: Sean Donelan
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 6:02 AM
> Subject: Re: Sabotage investigation of fiber cuts in Northwest
>
>
>> Not having seen the entire cut, I would have to imagine the entire =
bundle
> was
>> cut and the poor splicers had their hands full.
>
>
>> From experience, I can say that its quite easy to sabatoge a fiber run.
> The
> perfect example - a few years ago when I was a network admin, the whole
> NOC where the bulk of our T1s were went out suddenly one morning. We
> discovered that less then a block away a fiber seeking backhoe dug right
> through the fibers - both the primary *and* secondary fibers - because
> Verizon burried them both in the same trench rather then run them
> separate routes. So, the supposed redundancy went right out the window.
>
> The phone companies really aren't helping the situation one bit by doing
> stuff like this.
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> Brian Bruns
> The Summit Open Source Development Group
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