[5705] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Provider credibility - does it matter? was Re: Inter-provider relations
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jim Dixon)
Fri Oct 25 14:14:04 1996
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 19:15:44 +0100 (BST)
From: Jim Dixon <jdd@vbc.net>
To: Michael Dillon <michael@memra.com>
cc: nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.3.93.961025102712.6742G-100000@sidhe.memra.com>
On Fri, 25 Oct 1996, Michael Dillon wrote:
> > There is a name for this ridiculous style of argument, but I don't
> > remember it ...
>
> Xenophobia. Look it up.
Ah, yes, that's it ;-)
> > Europe heavily subsidizes the US Internet. It's not just VBCnet: the
> > European Internet community pays something like 90% of the costs of
> > traffic between Europe and North America. The same applies to the
> > rest of the world.
>
> I would say that if transatlantic lines are mostly ordered and paid for by
> European companies that you are probably correct. But part of the reason
> is that European government run PTT's charge horrendously high rates for
> international circuits.
European ISPs routinely put in (very expensive) lines to other European
countries and the USA. We have a line to California, and are just now
putting in circuits to Stockholm, Amsterdam, and Virginia. This is just
normal; we peer with two German networks and one Dutch network in London,
where they have run lines over to the UK.
On the other hand I have not seen any US regional ISP put in a line to
Europe. The few US ISPs (Sprint, UUnet, PSI) that do have lines to Europe
use them to sell bandwidth to the States.
> Remember when Europe's economy was subsidized heavily by its colonies?
> The Internet is a similar colonial economy and it can't last forever.
Precisely.
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