[51794] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: IP address fee??
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Ted Fischer)
Fri Sep 6 12:31:53 2002
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 12:33:09 -0400
To: nanog@merit.edu
From: Ted Fischer <ted@fred.net>
In-Reply-To: <20020906140052.GV73885@buffoon.automagic.org>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
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At 10:00 AM 9/6/02 -0400, Joe Abley postulated:
>On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 01:13:27PM -0500, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
> > Because "Cee" is easier to pronounce than "slash twenty-four". Ease of use
> > trumps open standards yet again :)
>
>Nobody was talking. "/24" is easier to type than "class C". No
>trumps! Everybody loses!
>
>How many people learn about networks from certification courses or
>in school, anyway? It was always my impression that people learnt
>mainly by listening to other people.
>
>If networking on the front lines is an informal oral tradition more
>than it is a taught science, then perhaps it's natural for obsolete
>terminology to continue to be "taught" long after it stopped having
>any relevance.
>
>
>Joe
The class of an address is determined by the bit-pattern of the first
octet of the address. 10.0.0.0 will always be a Class A
address. 172.16.0.0 will always be a Class B address, and 192.168.0.0 will
always be Class C address. I'm not aware of any RFC that rescinded the
definition of the Class of an address.
Masks, when associated with an address, enable one to determine (a),
what network I'm on (if I'm an IP host) or (b) how many addresses exist
within a given range of addresses (if I'm a routing table).
Subnetting (robbing mask host bits (0's) to make network bits (1's)
allowed one to more effectively use the decreasing amounts of networks that
required less than the default number of addresses (65,536 in the case of a
Class B) by more effeciently using the space one had been allocated. With
subnetting, I can take one Classful network and make many (sub)networks
from it. There was no way prior to 1993, however, to effectively represent
the range of addresses in more than one Classful network.
CIDR, simply stated, says that one can use any address with any mask,
regardless of the original class of the address, to represent a range of
addresses (i.e. rob network bits to make host bits). It allows the
properties of IP to be more effectively used for IP host addressing (only
need a /23 to support 400 IP hosts (a very effecient 78% use of the
allocated space), as well as (one of the original, primary reasons for
CIDR) aggregate ("Supernet") "X" traditional Class C's into one routing
statement (who today would advertise delivery to the range of 4,096
addresses from, for example, 192.168.192.0 through 192.168.207.255 with 16
individual traditional Class C statements?).
Since NANOG is "the front line", then perhaps that is where the oral
tradition should be teaching the history of IP addressing, from Classful
addressing (default masks) to Subnetting (other than default) to
Supernetting (ranges of addresses regardless of original - or legacy if you
will - class (Classless)).
The prefix, of course, does not refer to the class of the address, but
the number of contiguous ones in the mask. As far as pronounciation goes,
I prefer "slash 24" to "two fifty five dot two fifty five dot two fifty
five dot zero" :)
$.02
Ted Fischer
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At 10:00 AM 9/6/02 -0400, Joe Abley postulated:<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 01:13:27PM -0500,
Stephen Sprunk wrote:<br>
> Because "Cee" is easier to pronounce than "slash
twenty-four". Ease of use<br>
> trumps open standards yet again :)<br>
<br>
Nobody was talking. "/24" is easier to type than "class
C". No<br>
trumps! Everybody loses!<br>
<br>
How many people learn about networks from certification courses or<br>
in school, anyway? It was always my impression that people learnt<br>
mainly by listening to other people.<br>
<br>
If networking on the front lines is an informal oral tradition more<br>
than it is a taught science, then perhaps it's natural for obsolete<br>
terminology to continue to be "taught" long after it stopped
having<br>
any relevance.<br>
<br>
<br>
Joe</blockquote><br>
<font face="Times New Roman, Times"> The class of an address
is determined by the bit-pattern of the first octet of the address.
10.0.0.0 will always be a Class A address. 172.16.0.0 will always
be a Class B address, and 192.168.0.0 will always be Class C
address. I'm not aware of any RFC that rescinded the definition of
the Class of an address.<br>
<br>
Masks, when associated with an address, enable one to
determine (a), what network I'm on (if I'm an IP host) or (b) how
many addresses exist within a given range of addresses (if I'm a routing
table).<br>
<br>
Subnetting (robbing mask host bits (0's) to make network
bits (1's) allowed one to more effectively use the decreasing amounts of
networks that required less than the default number of addresses (65,536
in the case of a Class B) by more effeciently using the space one had
been allocated. With subnetting, I can take one Classful network
and make many (sub)networks from it. There was no way prior to
1993, however, to effectively represent the range of addresses in more
than one Classful network.<br>
<br>
CIDR, simply stated, says that one can use any address with
any mask, regardless of the original class of the address, to represent a
range of addresses (i.e. rob network bits to make host bits). It
allows the properties of IP to be more effectively used for IP host
addressing (only need a /23 to support 400 IP hosts (a very
effecient 78% use of the allocated space), as well as (one of the
original, primary reasons for CIDR) aggregate ("Supernet")
"X" traditional Class C's into one routing statement (who today
would advertise delivery to the range of 4,096 addresses from, for
example, 192.168.192.0 through 192.168.207.255 with 16 individual
traditional Class C statements?).<br>
<br>
Since NANOG is "the front line", then perhaps that
is where the oral tradition should be teaching the history of IP
addressing, from Classful addressing (default masks) to Subnetting (other
than default) to Supernetting (ranges of addresses regardless of original
- or legacy if you will - class (Classless)).<br>
<br>
The prefix, of course, does not refer to the class of the
address, but the number of contiguous ones in the mask. As far as
pronounciation goes, I prefer "slash 24" to "two fifty
five dot two fifty five dot two fifty five dot zero" :)<br>
<br>
$.02<br>
<br>
Ted Fischer<br>
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