[49047] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: SPEWS?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Benjamin P. Grubin)
Fri Jun 21 00:24:58 2002
From: "Benjamin P. Grubin" <bgrubin@pobox.com>
To: "'Steven J. Sobol'" <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
Cc: "'Dan Hollis'" <goemon@anime.net>,
"'Regis M. Donovan'" <regis@offhand.org>, <nanog@nanog.org>
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 00:24:23 -0400
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.41.0206202310460.11545-100000@amethyst.nstc.com>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
I am a 99% lurker, but I didn't assume you were beating around the bush.
It *seems* to me that in response to complaints about how several
blacklists were run you said that because blacklists are subscription
services, and everyone has a choice whether or not to use them, that the
poorly-operated blacklists are not dangerous. That implies (to me!) an
understatement of the potential effect of poorly-operated blacklists.
If I am wrong in that implication, I apologise.
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Benjamin P. Grubin, CISSP, GIAC
Information Security Consulting
bgrubin@pobox.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On
> Behalf Of Steven J. Sobol
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:13 PM
> To: Benjamin P. Grubin
> Cc: 'Dan Hollis'; 'Regis M. Donovan'; nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: RE: SPEWS?
>
>
>
> On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Benjamin P. Grubin wrote:
>
>
> > Saying that a report is voluntary and/or advisory gets more and more
> > irrelevant as rate of adoption increases. Yes, the
> thousands of credit
> > card companies could choose to evaluate you in any manner
> they wish, but
> > yet they *all* judge you solely on your credit report. So
> in *reality*,
> > is it really still useful to say it is voluntary and
> advisory therefore
> > undeserving of scrutiny/complaint?
>
> I'm really not sure why you're making these assumptions. I don't beat
> around the bush... I've never seen you on NANOG before, nor
> have I talked
> to you in any other venue, so I assume you aren't aware of
> that particular
> point. I didn't say SPEWS or any other listing service was
> undeserving of
> scrutiny. I didn't even try to imply that.
>
>
> --
> Steve Sobol, CTO JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, OH
> 888.480.4NET
> - I do my best work with one of my cockatiels sitting on each
> shoulder -
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> stance towards abusive priests. The fact that 20% didn't, scares me...
>
>
>
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