[47682] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: IP renumbering timeframe
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Schwartz)
Thu May 9 19:57:46 2002
From: David Schwartz <davids@webmaster.com>
To: <daveid@panix.com>
Cc: "nanog@merit.edu" <nanog@merit.edu>
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 16:55:30 -0700
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On Thu, 9 May 2002 19:46:53 -0400 (EDT), David R Huberman wrote:
>DS writes:
>>Nonetheless, ARIN is in the business of requiring compliance=
with its
>>policies as a condition of IP address allocations.
>In the real world ARIN only looks at existing assignments to=
judge the
>worthiness of an additional address space request. It doesn't=
look at nor
>care about non-existent assignments.
=09It doesn't matter what ARIN looks at or cares about. As I said,=
the ARIN
agreement is intended to benefit the public at large, not just=
ARIN and the
entity that signs it.
>>Third parties can make reasonable arguments that they have=
standing to
>>litigate these requirements on the grounds that the=
requirements were
>>intended to benefit the public in general and hence they are=
intended
>>beneficiaries.
>ARIN plays, at most, an advisory role to upstream/downstreams=
vis-a-vis
>appropriate assignments. It does not get involved with legal=
disputes nor
>does it ever directly instruct businesses how to conduct their=
affairs
=09That is irrelevant. ARIN doesn't have to enforce its contracts.=
Any party to
a contract or any intended beneficiary to a contract can enforce=
it. So if my
upstream has a contract with ARIN, I can enforce that contract=
even if ARIN
doesn't choose to.
>Sure: organizations have successfully gotten more appropriate=
assignments
>from upstreams by thrusting ARIN policies in front of an=
obstinate
>upstream's face. Good.
>But those policies in no way preclude an upstream from taking=
away
>downstream assignments - especially in the case of this thread,=
where the
>customer/upstream relationship was terminated.
=09Okay, let's see if we agree on the following things:
=091) In general, your upstream obtains the IP addresses they=
reassign to you
from ARIN.
=092) To do this, your upstream signs a contract with ARIN that=
states,
"Company [your upstream] agrees, as a condition to submitting=
this Agreement,
to be bound by the terms of ARIN's Internet Protocol address=
space allocation
and assignment guidelines...".
=093) This contract is not intended only to benefit ARIN and the=
Company
signing it. It is specifically intended to benefit the=
Internet-using public.
=09So if my upstream violates its agreement with ARIN, I can=
litigate that
violation even if ARIN chooses not to.
=09DS
