[42923] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Points of Failure (was Re: National infrastructure asset)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (George William Herbert)
Tue Sep 25 18:57:44 2001
Message-Id: <200109252312.QAA15756@gw.retro.com>
To: nanog@merit.edu
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:12:48 -0700
From: George William Herbert <gherbert@retro.com>
Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu
Sean writes:
>Travis Pugh wrote:
>> I was able to procure extremely detailed route information from multiple
>> CLECs and Verizon in the Boston area when researching both dark fiber and
>> SONET purchases, up to and including street-level maps. Long-haul providers
>> also are able to provide detailed route information, if you're willing to
>> ask -- the key is to be an educated buyer.
>
>Getting the maps is the "easy" part. Keeping track of where your
>circuit is after six months is the hard part. I've spoken to people
>who even had "dark fiber" groomed into a single path.
>
>When even NORAD and VISA have had problems maintaining diversity, I
>find it hard to believe it is a simple as saying the key is to be
>an educated buyer. Heck, I know major, major carriers which have
>wiped out all the circuits to their own NOC.
>
>If it was so simple, everyone would do it.
I think Travis does have a point, though, I bet there are a lot
of people out there who didn't even bother to do the first try
at it, partly out of lazyness, partly out of despair knowing
that the maps will change eventually and tracking it may be
impractical at some levels. I suspect more people need to
make that effort, and the more people making that effort the
easier it may become to actually track and maintain the
diversity over time. That the tracking may not be in realtime
and may not be 100% accurate doesn't mean that more info more
of the time isn't an improvement.
-george william herbert
gherbert@retro.com
