[42042] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Yes it's off topic but who cares right now.
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Hank Nussbacher)
Thu Sep 13 08:57:21 2001
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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:55:26 +0200
To: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
From: Hank Nussbacher <hank@att.net.il>
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At 08:28 13/09/01 -0400, Randy Bush wrote:
You missed the point. I am not arguing with what you say, but rather the
equation of misusing the word martyr for:
a) a person killed by their enemy for their religious beliefs - either by
crucification, fire, beheading, etc. - is the definition of a martyr -
meaning someone *being* killed by someone else
b) a person *killing* people in a suicide mission.
There is a huge difference between *being killed* and *killing*
people. One is the victim and one is the attacker. Nothing to do with
religion. Someone being killed for their religious beliefs is a
marytr. Someone killing people for their religious beliefs via his act of
suicide is perhaps a shahid but is definitely *not* a martyr.
-Hank
> > For those with a Christian background, don't you consider it an insult to
> > your religion to have a suicide bomber called a martyr after Saint
> > Stephen?
>
>no, i consider it a consequence of the self-righteousness that religion
>often nurtures, i am better than you because my god is better than yours.
>add fanaticism, and there will always be fanatics of every stripe, and you
>get the escalating cycle of violence and hate.
>
>resist the cycle of violence and hate.
>
>randy
