[40872] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: multi-homing fixes
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Roeland Meyer)
Fri Aug 24 01:32:02 2001
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From: Roeland Meyer <rmeyer@mhsc.com>
To: 'Brian Whalen' <bri@sonicboom.org>,
Joe Abley <jabley@automagic.org>
Cc: John Fraizer <nanog@Overkill.EnterZone.Net>,
Leo Bicknell <bicknell@ufp.org>,
"'nanog@merit.edu'" <nanog@merit.edu>
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 22:32:53 -0700
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You guys are all missing the point. The only reason for Cisco's prices is
because they built proprietary RAM modules. That is ... >non-standard<.
Cisco didn't *have* to do that. RAM chips are cheap. RAM modules are only
expensive because the mfg *makes* them expensive. Actual COGm is less than
$15US. In fact, the PCB costs more than the RAMs do because they are made in
smaller volume. By the same token, the sheet metal costs more than the
electronics, on a Cat 6509, but they know that you are willing to pay
$150K^H^H^H^H^H$200K so *that's* what they charge for it. It's pure
marketing. They can use standard PC133 DIMMs, if they want to. 90% of the
MSRP goes to the distro channel.
|> -----Original Message-----
|> From: Brian Whalen [mailto:bri@sonicboom.org]
|> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 9:54 PM
|> To: Joe Abley
|> Cc: John Fraizer; Leo Bicknell; 'nanog@merit.edu'
|> Subject: Re: multi-homing fixes
|>
|>
|>
|> Well I remember seeing a message on groupstudy where somone
|> from the tac
|> came on and made a statement along the lines that a
|> substantial quantity
|> of cases they get are a result of non Cisco memory.
|>
|> Brian "Sonic" Whalen
|> Success = Preparation + Opportunity
|>
|>
|> On Fri, 24 Aug 2001, Joe Abley wrote:
|>
|> >
|> > On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 09:31:29PM -0700, Brian Whalen wrote:
|> > > Yes and this non cisco ram can make Cisco's tac have a
|> cor or two..
|> >
|> > Cisco have certified a number of RAM vendors; you can happily buy
|> > RAM from them (at non-inflated prices) without voiding
|> your warranty
|> > or causing an abnormal palpitations in the TAC.
|> >
|> > For example:
|> >
|> > http://www.kingston.com/memory/routerzone/default.asp
|> >
|> > Last time I priced RAM upgrades for RSP4s (which was a few years
|> > ago now) cisco list price was around five times greater than
|> > Kingston's price for cisco-approved SIMMs. Hooray, etc.
|> >
|> >
|> > Joe
|> >
|>
