[37954] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: EMAIL != FTP
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Scott Francis)
Sat May 26 01:46:05 2001
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:03:21 -0700
From: Scott Francis <scott@virtualis.com>
To: Mitch Halmu <mitch@netside.net>
Cc: John Fraizer <nanog@Overkill.EnterZone.Net>,
Roeland Meyer <rmeyer@mhsc.com>,
"'Steve Sobol'" <sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net>,
Shawn McMahon <smcmahon@eiv.com>, nanog@nanog.org
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On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 06:32:48AM -0400, Mitch Halmu exclaimed:
> If you were a dial-up user, chances are you wouldn't be able to do that.
> A few simple reasons come to mind: first, you wouldn't have any or not
> enough disk space on your system account (limited by quota) to store the
huh? If you are limited on disk space, how is transferring it by SMTP going=
to
help? you TOTALLY lost me on that one - either way, the user is downloading=
it
to their local drive (or wherever they are reading their mail). So the
transport method makes no difference in the disk space used. It might be
stored on a different filesystem, but most systems I've seen have more space
in /usr or /home than in /var anyway ... (naturally, YMMV)
> file. Second, an average user probably wouldn't have the skill. Third, a=
=20
how much skill does it take to click a link and click 'OK' to a browser
warning message? Good grief, users manage to download all sorts of stuff wi=
th
their browsers every day, most of it harmful, frequently by accident. This
argument makes no sense at all.
> .zip file will usually display as funny characters on a web browser -=20
Oh give me a break - is there ANY modern browser that will not prompt you to
save the file if it does not recognize it as a displayable format? Your
reasoning is going downhill ...
> that's why ftp is needed. Fourth, you probably wouldn't have shell access=
=20
> and ftp space from your provider with a regular account. Fifth, assuming
you don't NEED shell access or ftp space! Just click the link in your email,
or copy/paste to your browser, and *poof* the file is on your local machine.
This is not a difficult concept.
> you would have all the toys, you would have to spend yourself the time to
> first upload the file, so that another may retrieve it. Sixth, if your
If you are on this list and cannot manage to upload a file to a publicly
accessible server, you should not be. Period.
> file was a sensitive document, others would have public access to it, etc.
you must have missed the username/password caveat in an earlier mail. Not t=
hat
that's not common knowledge, or anything ...
> So what's a regular user to do? Email it! Hence the legitimate use of
> email for transmission of large files. Most ISPs know that if they start
Just because (l)users do something does NOT legitimize it. Users use telnet=
to
get into shell accounts too. Doesn't make it right.
> limiting this privilege, users will migrate to someone that allows it.
Actually, I think users would prefer to have links in email rather than hav=
ing
to wait 10-15-30 minutes for mail to download, based on support calls I've
received in the past.
> --Mitch
> NetSide
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Scott Francis scott@ [work:] v i r t u a l i s . c o m
Systems Analyst darkuncle@ [home:] d a r k u n c l e . n e t
West Coast Network Ops GPG keyid 0xCB33CCA7
illum oportet crescere me autem minui
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