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RE: Operations: where are you going to sit?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mathew Butler)
Wed Dec 6 14:04:52 2000
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From: Mathew Butler <mbutler@tonbu.com>
To: 'Jade Deane' <jade.deane@HelloNetwork.com>,
'Daniel Senie' <dts@senie.com>
Cc: 'Matt Thoene' <matt@thoene.net>, nanog@merit.edu
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:57:11 -0800
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Small problem: You can't use CB for any kind of business purpose. :(
There's a separate business band that -can- be used for business -- you have
to get a license from the FCC to use it, but that's per-company and not
per-user.
-Mat Butler
-----Original Message-----
From: Jade Deane [mailto:jade.deane@HelloNetwork.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 10:39 AM
To: 'Daniel Senie'
Cc: 'Matt Thoene'; nanog@merit.edu
Subject: RE: Operations: where are you going to sit?
I didn't want to come off sounding like a Nextel proponent, but it's a
solution that's worked well here. And yes, their convoluted two way system
is by no means traditional, and I'm open to suggestions ;)
Perhaps a CB with a nice oak finish would be in order. Breaker Breaker 1-9,
we have flapping.
Jade
-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Senie [mailto:dts@senie.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 10:27 AM
To: Jade Deane
Cc: 'Matt Thoene'; nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Operations: where are you going to sit?
Jade Deane wrote:
>
> Loss of signal in a data center is a good point. At a previous
organization
> I was slaved to, we brought this up with Nextel sales people. After about
a
> week or so they purposed a small in-line receiver for the various data
> centers, and a thin Kate Moss looking yagi for each roof.
Actually, this should be a passive device. Various types of slotted
waveguide/coax are made, for example in the Heliax product line. An
antenna on the roof (directional antenna only if you're on the edge of a
coverage area) and a slotted line through your facility will provide
good results. Think about it for all commonly used frequencies (cellular
and pager) that might be in use in your facility. This isn't something
you have to get via your wireless vendor, and it doesn't need
electronics.
Hospitals have used such setups for years to permit doctor's pagers to
function throughout buildings (even in basements).
>
> Also, I can't stress the importance of a basic two way mobile system. We
> use the Nextel i1000+ phones for our engineering staff and NOC. The
> internet access features on these bad boys has been VERY handy. The
ability
> for a NOC member to check MRTG/Openview type information and IMAP/etc.
email
> has been beneficial.
Something for you to think about: Your Nextel phones are NOT two-way
radios in the traditional sense. They communicate handset to handset via
the Nextel network (even if you're right next to each other). If you're
in the midst of a storm or other natural disaster and your local cell
site dies, you've got no use of those radios. Also, in the event of
emergency, cell sites become overloaded with folks sitting in traffic
calling people. You may find these radios least effective when you need
them most.
The Motorola radios other folks suggested are FM transceivers on
business (or FRS) bands. These communicate directly from radio to radio
(commercial gear also can use private repeaters). These are better
choices, as they have no outside dependencies.
>
> Jade
>
> Jade E. Deane
> Network Engineer
> helloNetwork.com
> Las Vegas, Nevada
>
> Office: +1 (702) 938-9267
> Cell: +1 (702) 604-4759
> Fax: +1 (702) 456-1471
> email: jade.deane@helloNetwork.com
> epage: 7026044759@page.nextel.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Thoene [mailto:matt@thoene.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 9:40 AM
> To: nanog@merit.edu
> Subject: RE: Operations: where are you going to sit?
>
> ::
> ::I would add wireless phones in general. If NOC staff need to walk over
to
> ::another person's screen or to swap cables or interfaces in a
> ::datacenter, you
> ::probably don't want them tied to a desk phone. You may want to consider
> ::some basic 2 way radios (RF) in addition to wireless/cell phones for
> ::datacenter <--> NOC <--> restroom communication independent of
> ::any ma bell.
>
> ...especially since cell phones tend to get no signal in Data Centers...
>
> -Matt
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Daniel Senie dts@senie.com
Amaranth Networks Inc. http://www.amaranth.com
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Small problem: You can't use CB for any kind of =
business purpose. :(</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>There's a separate business band that -can- be used =
for business -- you have to get a license from the FCC to use it, but =
that's per-company and not per-user.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-Mat Butler</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Jade Deane [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:jade.deane@HelloNetwork.com">mailto:jade.deane@HelloNetwo=
rk.com</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 10:39 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: 'Daniel Senie'</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cc: 'Matt Thoene'; nanog@merit.edu</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: Operations: where are you going to =
sit?</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I didn't want to come off sounding like a Nextel =
proponent, but it's a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>solution that's worked well here. And yes, =
their convoluted two way system</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>is by no means traditional, and I'm open to =
suggestions ;)</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Perhaps a CB with a nice oak finish would be in =
order. Breaker Breaker 1-9,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>we have flapping.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Jade</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Daniel Senie [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:dts@senie.com">mailto:dts@senie.com</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 10:27 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Jade Deane</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cc: 'Matt Thoene'; nanog@merit.edu</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: Operations: where are you going to =
sit?</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Jade Deane wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Loss of signal in a data center is a good =
point. At a previous</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>organization</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> I was slaved to, we brought this up with Nextel =
sales people. After about</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> week or so they purposed a small in-line =
receiver for the various data</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> centers, and a thin Kate Moss looking yagi for =
each roof.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Actually, this should be a passive device. Various =
types of slotted</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>waveguide/coax are made, for example in the Heliax =
product line. An</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>antenna on the roof (directional antenna only if =
you're on the edge of a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>coverage area) and a slotted line through your =
facility will provide</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>good results. Think about it for all commonly used =
frequencies (cellular</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>and pager) that might be in use in your facility. =
This isn't something</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>you have to get via your wireless vendor, and it =
doesn't need</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>electronics.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hospitals have used such setups for years to permit =
doctor's pagers to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>function throughout buildings (even in =
basements).</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Also, I can't stress the importance of a basic =
two way mobile system. We</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> use the Nextel i1000+ phones for our =
engineering staff and NOC. The</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> internet access features on these bad boys has =
been VERY handy. The</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>ability</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> for a NOC member to check MRTG/Openview type =
information and IMAP/etc.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>email</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> has been beneficial.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Something for you to think about: Your Nextel phones =
are NOT two-way</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>radios in the traditional sense. They communicate =
handset to handset via</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the Nextel network (even if you're right next to =
each other). If you're</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>in the midst of a storm or other natural disaster =
and your local cell</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>site dies, you've got no use of those radios. Also, =
in the event of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>emergency, cell sites become overloaded with folks =
sitting in traffic</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>calling people. You may find these radios least =
effective when you need</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>them most.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The Motorola radios other folks suggested are FM =
transceivers on</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>business (or FRS) bands. These communicate directly =
from radio to radio</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(commercial gear also can use private repeaters). =
These are better</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>choices, as they have no outside =
dependencies.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Jade</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Jade E. Deane</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Network Engineer</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> helloNetwork.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Las Vegas, Nevada</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Office: +1 (702) 938-9267</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Cell: +1 (702) 604-4759</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Fax: +1 (702) 456-1471</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> email: jade.deane@helloNetwork.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> epage: 7026044759@page.nextel.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> From: Matt Thoene [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:matt@thoene.net">mailto:matt@thoene.net</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 9:40 =
AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To: nanog@merit.edu</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Subject: RE: Operations: where are you going to =
sit?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ::</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ::I would add wireless phones in general. =
If NOC staff need to walk over</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ::another person's screen or to swap cables or =
interfaces in a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ::datacenter, you</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ::probably don't want them tied to a desk =
phone. You may want to consider</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ::some basic 2 way radios (RF) in addition to =
wireless/cell phones for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ::datacenter <--> NOC <--> restroom =
communication independent of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ::any ma bell.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ...especially since cell phones tend to get no =
signal in Data Centers...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -Matt</FONT>
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