[32524] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: ISPs as content-police or method-police
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mathew Butler)
Mon Nov 27 05:38:48 2000
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From: Mathew Butler <mbutler@tonbu.com>
To: 'Stephen Sprunk' <ssprunk@cisco.com>,
Roeland Meyer <rmeyer@mhsc.com>, 'Shawn McMahon' <smcmahon@eiv.com>,
nanog@merit.edu
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 02:31:37 -0800
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The use of the phone isn't that difficult, it's the use of the phone to get
someone -clueful- enough to a) recognize the request as valid, b) log the
request for their records, and c) disable the filter.
Customer service at many of the Tier-2 and Tier-3 providers usually isn't,
in my experience.
-Mat Butler
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Sprunk [mailto:ssprunk@cisco.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 11:16 AM
To: Roeland Meyer; 'Shawn McMahon'; nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: ISPs as content-police or method-police
Then again, nobody here seems to be suggesting mandatory filtering. Why
is there such a strong objection to opt-out filters, where a single call
or email can get the filters turned off? Is using a phone really that
difficult?
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The use of the phone isn't that difficult, it's the =
use of the phone to get someone -clueful- enough to a) recognize the =
request as valid, b) log the request for their records, and c) disable =
the filter.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Customer service at many of the Tier-2 and Tier-3 =
providers usually isn't, in my experience.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-Mat Butler</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Stephen Sprunk [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:ssprunk@cisco.com">mailto:ssprunk@cisco.com</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 11:16 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Roeland Meyer; 'Shawn McMahon'; =
nanog@merit.edu</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: ISPs as content-police or =
method-police</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Then again, nobody here seems to be suggesting =
mandatory filtering. Why</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>is there such a strong objection to opt-out filters, =
where a single call</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>or email can get the filters turned off? Is =
using a phone really that</FONT>
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