[27572] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: government eavesdropping
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Kai Schlichting)
Fri Feb 25 00:54:58 2000
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From: Kai Schlichting <kai@pac-rim.net>
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At Thursday 01:00 PM 2/24/00 , William Allen Simpson wrote:
>The US government has had listening devices at the MAEs/NAPs for years.
Given that these are frequented places, I am gladly accepting anon-remailed
material proving the existence of such listening equipment. JPEG's, GIFs,
rack numbers and floor plans marking their locations, pictures of time-lapse
security cameras showing the men in black installing the crap, pictures
of their vehicles in the parking lot, license plate numbers, agent names.
If there is really a number of such IMHO unlawful taps, it'll be hard to
contain information about them, unless they've dug themselves close to the
fiber and are bending & eavesdropping that fiber outside of the MAEs.
Such taps are not trivial, and their physical dimensions make it hard
to hide them to the trained fiber installer's eye.
Again, this is a solicitation to provide material to me solely aimed at
endangering national security, or whatever lie they want the public
to believe today :) No more secrets.
>They have also patented techniques for sorting and classifying
>conversations, which appear to be applicable to Internet traffic.
>
>As for other governments, haven't you heard Moscowitz's Chrysler story?
And then there was the story of a german company producing devices to
generate alternate sources of energy (was it windmills or solar cells?)
that was very surprised to find that a US company had filed for a
patent with the guts of all their technical stuff not too soon after
they had faxed some essential parts of it from one place in Germany
to another. The US patent was reportedly upheld, but I wonder if
they ever dared to bring civil suit for theft of trade secrets.
Needless to say this company is a very eager user of Swiss-made
encryption products at this point.
bye,Kai
ps: reportedly, NDB.com got DDOS'd today. Overloading the NSA's illegal
eavesdropping taps one at a time.
