[25894] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: ARIN whois
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Roeland M.J. Meyer)
Tue Nov 23 09:34:48 1999
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From: "Roeland M.J. Meyer" <rmeyer@mhsc.com>
To: "'Patrick Evans'" <pre@pre.org>
Cc: <nanog@merit.edu>
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 06:30:03 -0800
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This is exactly the issue and the rabid anti-spammers ignore the fact that
most smallers IAPs do NOT run a good mail service and many don't want to.
They are denying legitimate service, to legitimate users, whilst attacking a
legitimate business, because they don't want to understand anything outside
of their little parochial world. Some call that ignorance. BTW, I nuke
spammers on sight.
The real answer is putting an authentication layer into SMTP.
>Behalf Of Patrick Evans
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 3:58 AM
> To: Roeland M.J. Meyer
> Cc: nanog@merit.edu
> Subject: RE: ARIN whois
>
> On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
> > absolutely ignore valid business uses for the relays. They
> don't understand
> > that someone might want to use a different SMTP server,
> than the one their
> > ISP uses, in order to send to someone in the WEB, FTN, VPN,
> or PER TLDs.
> > That sort of gateway MUST allow relays in order to function.
> >
> The key problem we've run into is that while customers may have a
> domain hosted with us, they're dialling up to a third party ISP.
> Normally we'd tell them 'set your email program up to send mail as
> you@your.domain', but some ISPs (most notably the free ones) seem to
> only permit mail to go out through their relays if the mail comes from
> username@their.isp.
>
> Of course, we simply tell them to sign up to an ISP that doesn't
> restrict them in every possible way, but there are a few who are
> rather anti-this (most notably those on AOL).
>
> I'd love to be able to run open relays for these users, to let them
> send mail out with their own domain on the From: header. The net's not
> the same place it was even 5 years ago, though, and we just can't
> leave ourselves vulnerable like that.
>
> Ain't progress marvellous?
