[25871] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: ARIN whois
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Dean Anderson)
Mon Nov 22 17:28:52 1999
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:26:08 -0500
To: Joe Shaw <jshaw@insync.net>
From: Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
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We're up to 80K and rising. 2 big ones. Some smaller ones over 5K. Most the rest are under $500. Unless we can pin them to one or a small group of people. Then all their attacks are summed. A number of small attacks over a short period can then be criminal. This amount interests both lawyers and collections companies.
--Dean
Around 04:07 PM 11/22/1999 -0600, rumor has it that Joe Shaw said:
>
>What "legitimate business purposes" necessitate leaving SMTP relays open
>to the world? While I think spammers shouldn't be spamming, I think
>you'd find it better to do what you can to stop them from spamming via
>means you control, i.e. your servers, as opposed to going through the
>FBI.
>
>The FBI has recently stated that their computer crimes people are entirely
>overworked and way behind. So, while they will look into the matter, my
>previous experience with the FBI and computer crime shows a decided lack
>of interest in crimes that don't involve a high dollar figure for damages
>or stolen goods/services except for the purposes of profiling attacks and
>doing trend analysis. Unless you're looking at a six figure loss, you
>probably won't get far.
>
>Your best bet is to find a solution to restrict access to your relays.
>
>--
>Joseph W. Shaw - jshaw@insync.net
>Free UNIX advocate - "I hack, therefore I am."
>
>On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Dean Anderson wrote:
>
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>> These are coming from Mass, Cleveland, Ohio, and Virginia.
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>> We use our relays for legitimate business purposes. They are not "accidentally left open".
>>
>> --Dean
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