[21765] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Lawsuit threat against RBL users
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Chris Mauritz)
Thu Nov 19 12:10:24 1998
From: Chris Mauritz <chrism@raremedium.com>
To: "'Karl Denninger'" <karl@Denninger.Net>,
Chris Mauritz
<chrism@raremedium.com>,
"'Sheryl Chapin'" <schapin@ctel.net>, nanog@merit.edu
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:10:03 -0500
-----Original Message-----
From: Karl Denninger [mailto:karl@Denninger.Net]
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 1998 10:26 AM
To: Chris Mauritz; 'Sheryl Chapin'; nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Lawsuit threat against RBL users
>The problem with this is that someone, sooner or later, is going to
>take a run at people trying to set up what amounts to a set of contractual
>requirements that exceed legal requirements - and then enforce them network
>wide.
>
>The collusive aspect of this is downright scary, especially when coupled
>with threats of depeering, active denial of service attacks, etc.
*shrug*
If I am an ISP, I'm free to have whatever AUP I want. IF clients don't like
the AUP, they are free to shop elsewhere. I don't have the ability to force
other ISPs to use my AUP or even a close facsimile...nor is there is a
method to enforce your 1984 vision anyway. The net is a loose connection of
public and private links. If I own a private link and I decide that I'm
going to route you into /dev/null...that's what I'll do. There isn't a
thing you can do about it.
[snip]
>There are a lot of "questionable" things that this industry does, but IMHO
>this one is near or at the top of the list of things I'd talk to my counsel
>about....
Knock yourself out. Be sure to let us know what your legal eagle has to say
on the matter.
Chris
