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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 22:49:27 -0500 (EST) From: Rich Sena <ras@poppa.clubrich.tiac.net> To: Sheryl Chapin <schapin@ctel.net> cc: nanog@merit.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19981119084758.00abfea0@mail.ctel.net> Hey Sheryl - I was originally pretty vocal against this - I worked for an isp that faced this issue but to tell you the truth I have definately changed my tune - the account that was created on your network for webservice was deliberately created with that in mind to be a listing add in a spam from another ISP - this more than likely is the same person who's account you just cancelled for spamming using your network - except now s/he has gotten "smart" and think they've found a loophole. It's better for all involved if you close the loophole. No one will be able to act on her/him from the throw away isp's that s/he uses - they could care less if that account gets nuked - but the site is the dealio - that is their profit - so they sanitize it so that there is no excuse for nuking it. I would just modify your AUP to include a "spamvertised site" clause. On Thu, 19 Nov 1998, Sheryl Chapin wrote: > >That's right. It stops the practice of using a sacrificial account, from > >AOL or netcom, to spam for a web-site that is otherwise protected. Does it > >make a difference that they didn't spam from their own ISP? That customer > >is *still* a spammer whether they did it from your site or not. Maybe > >you're of the "It's alright as long as they don't do it here" crowd? Well, > >that's one of the things that the RBL was built for. The rest of us don't > >have to put up with your negligence. > > > I don't see it as "it's alright as long as they don't do it here". I see > it as "I have control over my network, but not over anyone elses". I have > an AUP that specifically states spamming is not allowed. I have kicked off > users who have spammed. However, I do not have an AUP that says "If you > ever spam anyone ever in the world on any network anywhere I will > disconnect whatever service you have". I don't control the entire > internet, just my little piece of it. :-) > > > Sheryl Chapin > Senior Network Engineer > CommTel Internet 207.377.3508 > Winthrop, Maine schapin@ctel.net > -- I am nothing if not net-Q! - ras@poppa.clubrich.tiac.net
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