[196329] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: F Y I
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Christopher Morrow)
Fri Oct 20 03:23:04 2017
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
In-Reply-To: <f2dd27ca-e1f1-be5e-ca76-3b073704050b@tbonet.net.br>
From: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 12:07:00 -0400
To: =?UTF-8?B?Sm/Do28gQnV0emtl?= <lista-gter@tbonet.net.br>
Cc: nanog list <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Jo=C3=A3o Butzke <lista-gter@tbonet.net.b=
r>
wrote:
> it worked here in Brazil against whatsapp.
>
>
there are lots of cases of this sort of tomfoolery "working"... in part or
in whole.
Lee's point is it's dumb to offload this problem on every ISP in the
jurisdiction, AND it's also not going to really fix the problem if the
application is accessible via 'vpn' services (tor, real-vpns, etc).
it's just sort of dumb all the way around :(
>
> Em 19/10/2017 13:49, Lee Howard escreveu:
>
>>
>>
>> On 10/17/17, 5:33 PM, "NANOG on behalf of Christopher Morrow"
>> <nanog-bounces@nanog.org on behalf of morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> you know, the Sci-Hub folk could fix this themselves... with some
>>> authentication requirements... and probably by just unplugging from the
>>> intertubes?
>>>
>> "Sci-Hub=E2=80=99s founder, has previously told The Scientist the site p=
lans to
>> ignore the lawsuit.=E2=80=9D How would Sci-Hub consider this a =E2=80=9C=
fix=E2=80=9D?
>>
>> What enforcement mechanism would the Court have against Sci-Hub?
>>
>> The idea of making third parties (ISPs) incur costs (updating ACLs or
>> poisoning DNS) to enforce the order is pretty bad, and doesn=E2=80=99t s=
top Tor
>> access. Sorry I didn=E2=80=99t have a chance to file an amicus before th=
e ruling
>> tomorrow.
>>
>>
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Robert Mathews (OSIA)
>>> <mathews@hawaii.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Judge Recommends Ruling to Block Internet Access to Sci-Hub
>>>> The American Chemical Society seeks a broad order that includes millio=
ns
>>>> of dollars in damages and demands action from Internet service provide=
rs
>>>> and search engines.
>>>> By Diana Kwon | October 4, 2017
>>>>
>>>> http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/50563/
>>>> title/Judge-Recommends-Ruling-to-Block-Internet-Access-to-Sci-Hub/
>>>> http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/50361/
>>>> title/Publishers--Legal-Action-Advances-Against-Sci-Hub/
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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