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X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org From: Ge Dupin <gdupin@taho.fr> In-Reply-To: <E1dLssm-0005j7-0T@mail.scarynet.org> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 23:42:39 +0200 To: Alexander Maassen <outsider@scarynet.org> Cc: Niels Bakker <niels=nanog@bakker.net>, nanog@nanog.org, bzs@theworld.com Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org exactly it is becoming really painful Ge > Le 16 juin 2017 =C3=A0 17:06, Alexander Maassen = <outsider@scarynet.org> a =C3=A9crit : >=20 > the discussion about the external spam kinda exceeds the volume of the = spam itself. just my 2 cents. > just block, delete, continue life >=20 > Kind regards, > Alexander Maassen > - Technical Maintenance Engineer Parkstad Support BV- Maintainer = DroneBL- Peplink Certified Engineer >=20 > -------- Oorspronkelijk bericht --------Van: bzs@theworld.com Datum: = 15-06-17 20:09 (GMT+01:00) Aan: Dan Hollis <goemon@sasami.anime.net> = Cc: Niels Bakker <niels=3Dnanog@bakker.net>, nanog@nanog.org, = bzs@theworld.com Onderwerp: Re: Vendors spamming NANOG attendees=20 >=20 > On June 14, 2017 at 14:22 goemon@sasami.anime.net (Dan Hollis) wrote: >> On Wed, 14 Jun 2017, bzs@theworld.com wrote: >>> Merely deciding not to patronize them may not be sufficient and = that's >>> why we make that sort of thing just outright illegal rather than = hope >>> market forces will suffice. >>=20 >> Most spam is sent from compromised machines anyway, so there are = already=20 >> criminal violations involved in sending spam. >=20 > FWIW I believe the context was a vendor spamming NANOG attendees (see > the Subject:) so not likely being done from compromised machines. >=20 > That said, yes, a lot of spam is sent from compromised machines as you > say. >=20 > But criminal violations can be additive, even rising to things like > RICO charges (a pattern of organized criminal behavior etc.) which can > be both criminal and civil and added onto charges like the criminality > of specific mechanisms (compromised systems etc.) >=20 > It really depends on how interested one can get the legal machinery in > the problem. Thus far that's hit or miss. I can't find any instance > where RICO charges were used against a spam gang tho, at least on a > quick search. >=20 > --=20 > -Barry Shein >=20 > Software Tool & Die | bzs@TheWorld.com | = http://www.TheWorld.com > Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD > The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo*
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