[194264] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Microsoft O365 labels nanog potential fraud?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Leo Bicknell)
Wed Mar 29 12:07:15 2017
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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 09:06:19 -0700
From: Leo Bicknell <bicknell@ufp.org>
To: nanog@nanog.org
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In a message written on Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 08:58:38AM -0600, Grant Taylor=
via NANOG wrote:
> I also strongly recommend that mailing lists be viewed as an entity unto=
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> themselves. I.e. they receive the email, process it, and generate a new=
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> email /from/ /their/ /own/ /address/ with very similar content as the=20
> message they received.
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> I strongly encourage mailing list admins to enable Variable Envelope=20
> Return Path to help identify which subscribed recipient causes each=20
> individual bounce, even if the problem is from downstream forwards.
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> The problem with this is that it takes more processing power and=20
> bandwidth. Most people simply want an old school expansion that=20
> re-sends the same, unmodified, message to multiple recipients. - That=
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> methodology's heyday has come and mostly gone.
Actually, my problem is not so much processing power and bandwidth,
but that every time I've encountered this problem I found a morass
of painfully broken, horribly documented, super-complex software.
With sendmail/postfix you can edit an alias file and say:
bob: joe, tim, alex
And boom, done. If I could enable some feature/module/whatever in
either one with a line or two of config to make that do Variable
Envelope Return Path I would, but every solution I know of requires
setting up a complex milter, running some external daemon, which
often depends on 3 different interpreted languages to be installed
and so on down a dependency hell.
While I haven't looked at real mailing list software recently
(e.g. mailman) when I last did they didn't suport this either and
it took a pile of 3rd party hacks to make it work.
Why o why in 2017 can this not be a checkbox, a line of config, or
so on.
For that matter, setting up DKIM is horrendously complicated for=20
no good reason...
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Leo Bicknell - bicknell@ufp.org
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