[194229] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: EFF Call for sign-ons: ISPs, networking companies and engineers
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mel Beckman)
Tue Mar 28 20:17:52 2017
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Mel Beckman <mel@beckman.org>
To: Seth Mattinen <sethm@rollernet.us>
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 00:17:40 +0000
In-Reply-To: <d2fd5d0d-c692-7545-891f-0991a942e81d@rollernet.us>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
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Seth,
Hmmm... I hadn't heard about the $10 Internet access with no contracts and =
free installation. I'm pretty sure that's a complete fantasy, and that ever=
y ISP on the planet makes sure they get a tidy profit from the contract fee=
s that lock in customers, with zero advertising income. Money from stealing=
user browser data is just gravy. Not that I'm opposed to gravy, but not wh=
en I, as a customer, don't get any.=20
Now, if ISPs want to PURCHASE browser data from customers directly, I'm sur=
e they'll get some takers. But that strategy has never appeared in any busi=
ness plan I've seen.
-mel beckman
> On Mar 28, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Seth Mattinen <sethm@rollernet.us> wrote:
>=20
>> On 3/28/17 16:08, valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 15:51:43 -0700, Seth Mattinen said:
>>=20
>>> Has there ever been a real survey that asks people where they think
>>> Google gets the money to support things like Gmail for "free"?
>> There's a difference. Google only gets to aggregate data you pass to Go=
ogle.
>> Your ISP gets to aggregate data you pass to *anybody*. The difference m=
atters.
>=20
>=20
> I know, I'm not picking on Google like the other post was, other than to =
bring up that point that a lot of non-technical people don't connect that f=
ree Gmail means something has to pay for it. When I talk to people they hav=
e this expectation of free internet because ISPs charging for internet acce=
ss is greedy when most most everything online is free. The internet is just=
a nebulous thing out there that's "free".
>=20
> So ultimately you have ISPs that sell data to marketers so they can meet =
the demands from sales/marketing to offer $10 gigabit internet access with =
no contracts and free install.
>=20
> ~Seth
