[189962] in North American Network Operators' Group
Enough about Netflix banning HE tunnels [really: IPv6 adoption]
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (STARNES, CURTIS)
Fri Jun 10 15:39:42 2016
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From: "STARNES, CURTIS" <Curtis.Starnes@granburyisd.org>
To: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 19:39:38 +0000
Cc: "bzs@TheWorld.com" <bzs@TheWorld.com>
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NANOG members;
First things first - PLEASE NOTE: This is just an opinion from one old IT g=
uy who used to have to use a dial-up connection from a small town in centra=
l Texas to connect to my "ISP" (term used loosely for the very early 1990's=
) in Dallas, Oklahoma City, and sometimes Shreveport, LA with my trusty Sla=
ckware box (with its screaming i386 processor/2MB RAM and 900 BAUD modem) j=
ust to get my FidoNet/UUCP email fix (just for those of us who remember the=
old "bang path" email via UUCP!) via UUNet. This passion grew into running=
multi-node Wildcat! BBS systems in early 1992 to small ISP's in the mid-19=
90's until which time my Southwestern Bell phone bills and customer churn k=
illed this hobby quick and I had to turn to a full time IT professional to =
feed the family.
As the Internet continues to grow exponentially with the explosion of the I=
oT movement, let's see how every one's IPv4 boxes connect to an IPv6 only n=
etwork (or their refrigerator) without the support of the IT community such=
as NANOG members to mangle the packets and push their packets through some=
sort of IPv4 to IPv6 transitional technology.
This thread is really getting on my nerves and old eyes as it fills my mail=
box daily and I am sure I am not the only one.
Between the content providers that are complaining about there is not enoug=
h IPv6 traffic to justify the migration, vendors pushing products that do n=
ot support IPv6, to the carriers that do not support dual stack to the last=
mile customer, then the end-user that you hear saying "IPvWhaaaat?" on the=
end of the phone; it is up to us, the network engineers, network administr=
ators, "Packet Pushers", and whatever title is bestowed upon us, to just ma=
ke it work. That is what I hear day in and day out; "The sales team said it=
could be done so what is the problem? Get if fixed or we will find someone=
who can!" and I am in the public education space!
I feel for the network engineers, NOC operators, and cable/fiber teams of o=
ur great nation.
Just as an FYI: I remember when IPv4 was a "Fad" and took patience of Job (=
the biblical Job, not job) just to get the Win32's loaded on Windows 3.1 so=
it would handle a 32-bit address. This is not including the mastery of the=
AT commands that Trumpet Winsock required since each manufacturer put thei=
r own spin in their interpretation of what AT command should do what (I sti=
ll can remember what "squeals and tones" were negotiating at what speed and=
the occasional nightmare that ATZ & AT&E1 just sit there with a blank term=
inal and silent modem).
Netflix can ban and block all they want.
Carriers can complain "Streaming media is using too much bandwidth", never =
mind that each and every one pays for transit bandwidth, even public school=
s!
We must remember our technology history;
- Ma Bell said that they were too big to be broken up
- IBM would always be king
- Unix such as System V/BSD/Open Systems/AIX/SCO/HP-UX/Sun Solaris would ea=
ch rule the world.
- and my personal favorite - "No one would want to own a personal PC!"
Bottom line, whether we keep pushing onward with what we have, IPv4 and IPv=
6 or we adopt another protocol to replace the archaic IPv4.
The Layer 1-7 technologies which we all work with daily, were never designe=
d with security as the primary concern when RFC 675 was created in 1974 by =
the Network Working Group with Vince Cerf and others.
I do not think Vince Cerf and the other members of the Network Working Grou=
p had Cryptolocker, Ransomware, on his mind when TCP/IP was "born" from th=
is RFC.
We must keep pressing onward and pushing the envelope of our segment of the=
modern and some not so modern Internet.
Where would we be without the Vince Cerf's, Steve Job's, Bill Gates', Paul =
Allen's, DARPA, US Military, the fiber tech's that run, fuse, and terminate=
miles of fiber while others sleep, the network techs, net admins, programm=
ers, and too many others to mention. Where would and would there be IPv4, I=
Pv6, or an Internet at all.
Whether we are doing this as our jobs or as a hobby, driven out of passion =
for technology.
We owe the next generation(s) the benefit of our best work so that they hav=
e to opportunity to do their best as well.
Thank you NANOG community for the platform for me to express this rant/refl=
ections; and the freedoms our country provides so I can do so freely.
Curtis Starnes
Senior Network Administrator
Granbury Independent School District
Granbury, Texas
IEEE Member since 2012
(Just for the record, these are my opinions and ramblings/rants, not my emp=
loyers)
-----Original Message-----
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of bzs@theworld.com
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 1:13 PM
To: Karl Auer <kauer@biplane.com.au>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Netflix banning HE tunnels [really: IPv6 adoption]
This is sort of whacky.
IPv4 was so successful, let's say post 1990, because it got people from not=
hing to internet or as some say Internet.
IPv6 cannot duplicate that.
So continuing to rely on this idea that "hey a coupla billion people went f=
or IPv4, and even that was slow at first, so it's just a matter of time"...=
is...I'll be kind...unwise.
This is no longer engineering. This is marketing.
Hand the problem over to a professional marketing organization and go back =
to what you were trained to do.
Give them your phone number and tell them to please call if they think you =
can help, maybe a product endorsement spot on prime-time TV or to consider =
some technical improvement.
Hi! I'm Barry Shein! I helped invent the internet. But I am about to
explain to you a NEW development, IPv6, which is going to improve
your internet experience more than you may have thought possible!
And stay tuned for a special secret offer we're including for the
first 250 million adopters!
--=20
-Barry Shein
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