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Re: Cisco ASR9010 vs Juniper MX960

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Bass)
Thu Feb 18 11:19:07 2016

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From: David Bass <davidbass570@gmail.com>
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 11:19:02 -0500
To: Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
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I don't think I'd trust any vendor's "ISSU" to be completely without impact.=
..been more of a marketing term from my experience...



> On Feb 18, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> wrote:
>=20
> Jason Bothe wrote:
>> The 9k does however get a huge win with the ability to apply a =E2=80=98p=
ie=E2=80=99
>> or software patch while staying in service vs requiring a reload.
>=20
> SMUs are often "hitless", which is to say, "hitless" with scary quotes.
> What this means in practice is that the SMU itself might be hitless but
> it will depend on 47 other SMUs, thereby almost guaranteeing some form
> of reload.  Also, restarting processes is "hitless" (e.g. restarting
> bgpd, ospfd, etc) or shutting down interfaces.
>=20
> E.g.:
>=20
> CSCuo47663: "Hitless/Optional SMU,aigp metric different in RIB & BGP
> table".  This will restart the bgp process.
>=20
> CSCus26923: "traffic from SIP700 to 9000v is dropped when a link to
> 9000v flaps".  Release notes state that the issue is not service
> impacting, then "After the SMU installation , we need to apply
> shut/noshut of the problematic interface to trigger the hardware
> programming."  Wuh??
>=20
> In other words, "hitless" does not mean "not service impacting".
>=20
> Nick

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