[187180] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: New peerings between Hurricane Electric and Level3?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Marty Strong via NANOG)
Thu Jan 21 17:58:30 2016
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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 22:58:23 +0000
To: "Matthew D. Hardeman" <mhardeman@ipifony.com>
From: Marty Strong via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Reply-To: Marty Strong <marty@cloudflare.com>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
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Turns out my information from the grape vine was wrong *bows head in =
shame*.
Regards,
Marty Strong
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CloudFlare - AS13335
Network Engineer
marty@cloudflare.com
+44 7584 906 055
smartflare (Skype)
http://www.peeringdb.com/view.php?asn=3D13335
> On 21 Jan 2016, at 19:48, Matthew D. Hardeman <mhardeman@ipifony.com> =
wrote:
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> That=E2=80=99s an excellent point, actually.
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>> On Jan 21, 2016, at 1:45 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick@ianai.net> =
wrote:
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>> Make the AS path longer, losing traffic, and therefore revenue?
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>> Why would they do that?
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>> The twtelecom customers cannot multi-home (most of them anyway). Most =
of 3549=E2=80=99s traffic has other paths to the Internet.
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>> TTFN,
>> patrick
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>>> On Jan 21, 2016, at 2:22 PM, Matthew D. Hardeman =
<mhardeman@ipifony.com> wrote:
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>>> I was actually surprised they didn=E2=80=99t just leave GBLX =
customers on AS3549, kill all external AS3549 peerings, and treat AS3549 =
downline as a Level3 customer, accepting L3 and GBLX communities from =
GBLX customers.
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>>> That seems more along the lines of what they=E2=80=99re doing with =
the AS4323 TW Telecom customers. (Though, in fairness, AS3356 has =
always carried AS4323 as a customer as far as I recall.) It will be =
interesting to see if whether they kill off AS4323 peerings.
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>>>> On Jan 21, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Marty Strong <marty@cloudflare.com> =
wrote:
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>>>> Depends on the market and how far along their migration is going. =
In experience with GTT (AS4436) they=E2=80=99re still not finished =
migrating everything to AS3257.
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>>>> Regards,
>>>> Marty Strong
>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>> CloudFlare - AS13335
>>>> Network Engineer
>>>> marty@cloudflare.com
>>>> +44 7584 906 055
>>>> smartflare (Skype)
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>>>> http://www.peeringdb.com/view.php?asn=3D13335
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>>>>> On 21 Jan 2016, at 19:12, Matthew D. Hardeman =
<mhardeman@ipifony.com> wrote:
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>>>>> Intriguing. If it were only that though, wouldn=E2=80=99t they =
just still pick it up via TeliaSonera IC?
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>>>>> I did notice that in the past few months, TeliaSonera has been =
dropping AS3549 from spots where they had session with both AS3549 and =
with AS3356 and now reaches AS3549 via AS3356.
>>>>>=20
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>>>>>> On Jan 21, 2016, at 1:08 PM, Marty Strong <marty@cloudflare.com> =
wrote:
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>>>>>> I=E2=80=99ve heard from the grape vine that this is due to the =
GBLX to Level3 transition, and it=E2=80=99s in fact paid IP transit.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Marty Strong
>>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>> CloudFlare - AS13335
>>>>>> Network Engineer
>>>>>> marty@cloudflare.com
>>>>>> +44 7584 906 055
>>>>>> smartflare (Skype)
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> http://www.peeringdb.com/view.php?asn=3D13335
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>>>>>>> On 21 Jan 2016, at 18:37, Matthew D. Hardeman =
<mhardeman@ipifony.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>> Yesterday I was looking at some of the IPv4 and IPv6 session =
summaries on http://lg.he.net and saw that both the Equinix Los Angeles =
and Equinix Ashburn site routers have new IPv4 and IPv6 sessions (not =
yet running, but administratively up for about 6 days now) configured =
for AS3356.
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>>>>>>> I know they already peer IPv6, though not at those sites. Is =
this the first hint that HE and Level3 are coming around on an IPv4 and =
IPv6 peering agreement?
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