[186336] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Binge On! - And So This is Net Neutrality?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jared Mauch)
Thu Dec 10 14:57:25 2015
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net>
In-Reply-To: <20151210193225.GA31851@cmadams.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 14:57:21 -0500
To: Chris Adams <cma@cmadams.net>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
> On Dec 10, 2015, at 2:32 PM, Chris Adams <cma@cmadams.net> wrote:
>=20
> I could have paid more to get it faster, and some large-scale shippers
> have special arrangements that seem to get their packages priority. =
How
> is this different from Internet traffic?
For me the better comparison is international postal services. I can =
get
USPS to give a package priority on their network, but once it leaves
that SLA is gone. They did their best to deliver it to the next-hop.
The concern I have here is part marketing and part technical reality.
1) =E2=80=9CUnlimited*=E2=80=9D doesn=E2=80=99t really mean unlimited, =
which I=E2=80=99m personally
understanding of, but I=E2=80=99ve seen others take the hard-line =
approach.
2) =E2=80=9CPeering=E2=80=9D is a term that people don=E2=80=99t quite =
grok, because it=E2=80=99s
overloaded in so many ways with transit, SFI, etc.
3) Networks are rarely equal. T-Mobile has lots of end-users. Their
pattern will look different from someone doing disaster recovery
off-site data storage. =20
4) corollary with #3 - Through M&A, divestiture and other moves =
companies
don=E2=80=99t always participate in the same markets in the same way. =
$dayjob
does not do DOCSIS/DSL services in north america. Should we? Not =
all
networks are on the same 5 continents/countries/cities. What is that
overlap necessary? The days of being at AADS, MAE-E,W, pac bell, etc
have changed significantly. Content distribution has advanced, edge
speeds have changed making applications feasible that were not =
thought
possible 10-20 years ago.
With the recent 174 <-> 3320 lawsuit, FCC, etc.. this all is interesting
to me. How do you reach a solution where the customers win?
I=E2=80=99ve seen many approaches to this, and as an engineer I don=E2=80=99=
t like congested
ports. Congested ports mean someone is unhappy, and minimizing that is =
a goal.
When two sides are not speaking to each other, it=E2=80=99s less likely =
things will
be fixed. This is at least people working towards a solution, it may =
not be
one where I have the old Qwest promise of every movie from everything =
ever
*prepares to ride the light*, but I expect things to get better over =
time as
companies adapt.
- Jared
P.S. Regarding =E2=80=9Cunlimited=E2=80=9D above, things like the new =
overage charges for
DOCSIS, DSL, FTTx services that were perceived as all you can eat, =
seeing
a company place a ceiling on the overages seen would be ideal. eg: you
max out at the business class service price, say $50 for residential
$100 business class starting tiers that most companies have.
Having no max for that is unreasonable for all parties as a bill for =
$infinity
is less likely to be paid compared to 2-3x usual fees.
The same theory could be applied to international data fees, just =
auto-sign me
up for the roaming plan that matches my usage. I seem to recall Sprint =
had
a cellular offering like this for minutes used (many eons ago) and for
being shareholder and consumer friendly it seemed to be the right =
balance.=
