[186032] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Binge On! - And So This is Net Neutrality?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Mon Nov 23 17:13:10 2015
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <23F26346-ED30-4115-8FEC-9078604F3EDC@microsoft.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 14:12:01 -0800
To: Christian Kuhtz <chkuhtz@microsoft.com>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
Except there=E2=80=99s no revenue share here. According to T-Mobile, the =
streaming partners
aren=E2=80=99t paying anything to T-Mo and T-Mo isn=E2=80=99t paying =
them. It=E2=80=99s kind of like zero-rating
in that the customers don=E2=80=99t pay bandwidth charges, but it=E2=80=99=
s different in that the service
provider isn=E2=80=99t being asked to subsidize the network provider =
(usual implementation of
zero-rating).
Owen
> On Nov 23, 2015, at 10:42 , Christian Kuhtz <chkuhtz@microsoft.com> =
wrote:
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> I don't know if this is NN or not, but the concept is ancient. Even =
back in the dark ages of mobile, zero rating and associated rev share =
were very common.
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> Whether this is relevant to NN or not is for lawyers.
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> Christian
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>> On Nov 20, 2015, at 7:47 AM, Jay Ashworth <jra@baylink.com> wrote:
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>> According to:
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>> Chairman Wheeler thinks that T-mob's new "customers can get uncapped =
media
>> stream data, but only from the people we like" service called Binge =
On
>> is pro-competition.
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>> My take on this is that the service is *precisely* what Net =
Neutrality
>> was supposed to prevent -- carriers offering paid fast-lanes to =
content=20
>> providers -- and that this is anti-competitive to the sort of =
"upstart=20
>> YouTube" entities that NN was supposed to protect...
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>> and that *that* is the competition that NN was supposed to protect.
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>> And I just said the same thing two different ways.
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>> Cause does anyone here think that T-mob is giving those *carriers* =
pride
>> of place *for free*?
>>=20
>> Corporations don't - in my experience - give away lots of money out =
of=20
>> the goodness of their hearts.
>>=20
>> Cheers,
>> -- jr 'whacky weekend' a
>> --=20
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