[184308] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: How to force rapid ipv6 adoption
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mark Andrews)
Thu Oct 1 20:49:09 2015
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To: Todd Underwood <toddunder@gmail.com>
From: Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org>
In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 Oct 2015 00:16:50 +0000."
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Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 10:47:21 +1000
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, Todd Underwood writes:
>
> one interesting thing to note...
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 8:01 PM Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > Some of us have been running IPv6 in production for over a decade
> > now and developing products that support IPv6 even longer.
> >
> > We have had 17 years to build up a universal IPv6 network. It
> > should have been done by now.
> >
>
> yes. huh. funny about that, right? what do you think accounts for that?
> *why* do you think that *17* *years* later people are still just barely
> using this thing.
>
> i have a theory. i may have already mentioned that "dual stack and ipv4
> will wither away by itself" turns out to have been a dumb idea that didn't
> happen. and there was no migration path other than that, really.
>
> so v6 and v4 don't interoperate as designed and that was an afterthought
> that didn't really happen until recently (and in a way that's still
> arguably more complex than NAT). and here we are.
>
> so here's my view: if you have some technical solution for a networking
> problem that no one wants for 17 years, you should really probably think
> about that. you might not even have to wait 17 years to figure out that
> something might be wrong.
>
> most good stuff is adopted without "evangelism".
Actually most good stuff requires evangelism. Lots of good stuff
has disappeared into history because there wasn't the right amount
of evangelism. Not all good stuff is showy. Some of it every
requires governments to enact laws to make companies do the right
thing. Very little stuff gets anywhere without evangelism.
> t
>
>
>
> > Mark
> >
> > > --
> > > Matthew Newton, Ph.D. <mcn4@le.ac.uk>
> > >
> > > Systems Specialist, Infrastructure Services,
> > > I.T. Services, University of Leicester, Leicester LE1 7RH, United Kingdom
> > >
> > > For IT help contact helpdesk extn. 2253, <ithelp@le.ac.uk>
> > --
> > Mark Andrews, ISC
> > 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
> > PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org
> >
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> <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>one interesting thing to note...<div><br><div class=3D=
> "gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 8:01 PM Mark Andrews =
> <<a href=3D"mailto:marka@isc.org">marka@isc.org</a>> wrote:<br></div>=
> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
> x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>Some of us have been running IPv6 in pro=
> duction for over a decade<br>
> now and developing products that support IPv6 even longer.<br>
> <br>
> We have had 17 years to build up a universal IPv6 network.=C2=A0 It<br>
> should have been done by now.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>yes. =C2=
> =A0huh. =C2=A0funny about that, right? =C2=A0what do you think accounts for=
> that? =C2=A0*why* do you think that *17* *years* later people are still ju=
> st barely using this thing.</div><div><br></div><div>i have a theory. =C2=
> =A0i may have already mentioned that "dual stack and ipv4 will wither =
> away by itself" turns out to have been a dumb idea that didn't hap=
> pen. and there was no migration path other than that, really.</div><div><br=
> ></div><div>so v6 and v4 don't interoperate as designed and that was an=
> afterthought that didn't really happen until recently (and in a way th=
> at's still arguably more complex than NAT). =C2=A0and here we are.</div=
> ><div><br></div><div>so here's my view: =C2=A0if you have some technica=
> l solution for a networking problem that no one wants for 17 years, you sho=
> uld really probably think about that. =C2=A0you might not even have to wait=
> 17 years to figure out that something might be wrong.</div><div><br></div>=
> <div>most good stuff is adopted without "evangelism".=C2=A0</div>=
> <div><br></div><div>t</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote cl=
> ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
> adding-left:1ex">
> Mark<br>
> <br>
> > --<br>
> > Matthew Newton, Ph.D. <<a href=3D"mailto:mcn4@le.ac.uk" target=3D"_=
> blank">mcn4@le.ac.uk</a>><br>
> ><br>
> > Systems Specialist, Infrastructure Services,<br>
> > I.T. Services, University of Leicester, Leicester LE1 7RH, United King=
> dom<br>
> ><br>
> > For IT help contact helpdesk extn. 2253, <<a href=3D"mailto:ithelp@=
> le.ac.uk" target=3D"_blank">ithelp@le.ac.uk</a>><br>
> --<br>
> Mark Andrews, ISC<br>
> 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia<br>
> PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
> =A0 =C2=A0INTERNET: <a href=3D"mailto:marka@isc.org" target=3D"_blank">mark=
> a@isc.org</a><br>
> </blockquote></div></div></div>
>
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Mark Andrews, ISC
1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia
PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org
