[180562] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (John Fraizer)
Sat Jun 6 22:17:11 2015
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Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2015 22:17:02 -0400
From: John Fraizer <john@op-sec.us>
To: Randy <randy_94108@yahoo.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
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Just to be clear, CERTS are NOT a requirement for these positions. They
will head-of-line someone for a phone screen. THAT IS ALL! And if you've
got a cert, you had better know your stuff because if your cert says you're
an EXPERT. I'm gonna expect you to be one!
John Fraizer
--Sent from my Android phone.
Please excuse any typos.
On Jun 6, 2015 5:50 PM, "Randy" <randy_94108@yahoo.com> wrote:
> $employers don't help in this regard either by requiring said certs. Such
> requirements; IMO, lead to folks preparing/passing such tests just for
> $day_job only without any real desire to understand how
> things-actually-work&why.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Fraizer <john@op-sec.us>
> To: =C5=81ukasz Bromirski <lukasz@bromirski.net>
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 5:55 PM
> Subject: Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...
>
> Folks,
>
> It's just a piece of paper in my opinion. A person either knows their
> stuff or they don't. Less than 5min on a phone screen and I will know if
> they "bought" their certification(s) or earned them. Sadly, I've spoken =
to
> far too many who give some validation to Jared's comment. I'm wondering h=
ow
> many proctors have been paid off or if people are buying fake id's for
> smart people and paying them to sit for the tests posing as them.
>
> John Fraizer
> --Sent from my Android phone.
> Please excuse any typos.
> On Jun 5, 2015 5:45 PM, "=C5=81ukasz Bromirski" <lukasz@bromirski.net> wr=
ote:
>
> >
> > > On 06 Jun 2015, at 02:26, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:13 PM, John Fraizer <john@op-sec.us> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Head of line for CCIE / JNCIE but knowledge and experience trumps a
> > piece
> > >> of paper every time!
> > >
> > > Can you please put these at the back of the line? My experience is
> that
> > > the cisco certification (at least) is evidence of the absence of actu=
al
> > > troubleshooting skills. (or my standards of what defines =E2=80=9Cex=
pert=E2=80=9D are
> > > different than the rest of the world).
> >
> > Jared, don=E2=80=99t generalize.
> >
> > True - there are people that are =E2=80=98paper=E2=80=99 CCIE/JNCIEs - =
but let=E2=80=99s not
> > start a rant unless you've met tens of CCIEs/JNCIEs and all of them
> > didn=E2=80=99t know a jack. About troubleshooting.
> >
> > =E2=80=94
> > CCIE #15929 R&S/SP, CCDE #2012::17
> > (not that I=E2=80=99d know anything about troubleshooting of course)
>
