[180560] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Randy via NANOG)
Sat Jun 6 20:50:52 2015
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Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2015 00:47:58 +0000 (UTC)
To: John Fraizer <john@op-sec.us>,
=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=81ukasz_Bromirski?= <lukasz@bromirski.net>
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From: Randy via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
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$employers don't help in this regard either by requiring said certs. Such r=
equirements; IMO, lead to folks preparing/passing such tests just for $day_=
job only without any real desire to understand how things-actually-work&why=
.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Fraizer <john@op-sec.us>
To: =C5=81ukasz Bromirski <lukasz@bromirski.net>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...
Folks,
It's just a piece of paper in my opinion. A person either knows their
stuff or they don't. Less than 5min on a phone screen and I will know if
they "bought" their certification(s) or earned them. Sadly, I've spoken to
far too many who give some validation to Jared's comment. I'm wondering how
many proctors have been paid off or if people are buying fake id's for
smart people and paying them to sit for the tests posing as them.
John Fraizer
--Sent from my Android phone.
Please excuse any typos.
On Jun 5, 2015 5:45 PM, "=C5=81ukasz Bromirski" <lukasz@bromirski.net> wrot=
e:
>
> > On 06 Jun 2015, at 02:26, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:13 PM, John Fraizer <john@op-sec.us> wrote:
> >>
> >> Head of line for CCIE / JNCIE but knowledge and experience trumps a
> piece
> >> of paper every time!
> >
> > Can you please put these at the back of the line? My experience is tha=
t
> > the cisco certification (at least) is evidence of the absence of actual
> > troubleshooting skills. (or my standards of what defines =E2=80=9Cexpe=
rt=E2=80=9D are
> > different than the rest of the world).
>
> Jared, don=E2=80=99t generalize.
>
> True - there are people that are =E2=80=98paper=E2=80=99 CCIE/JNCIEs - bu=
t let=E2=80=99s not
> start a rant unless you've met tens of CCIEs/JNCIEs and all of them
> didn=E2=80=99t know a jack. About troubleshooting.
>
> =E2=80=94
> CCIE #15929 R&S/SP, CCDE #2012::17
> (not that I=E2=80=99d know anything about troubleshooting of course)
