[180540] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Stefan)
Sat Jun 6 11:50:03 2015
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Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2015 10:50:00 -0500
From: Stefan <netfortius@gmail.com>
To: "NANOG Operators' Group" <nanog@nanog.org>
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Sort of back-tracking on the OP JD - is one to derive from the posting and
requirements for the job(s) that:
1. the need arises because of the eBay - PayPal split?
2. is PayPal leaving with the openstack [need for] expertise and associated
IaaS parts (http://www.openstack.org/user-stories/paypal/), while eBay is
keeping a more traditional infra setup?
=E2=80=8B
Stefan
On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Brandon Ross <bross@pobox.com> wrote:
> I also concur. There is most certainly a negative correlation between
> certs and clue in my experience, having met 10s of certificate holders.
>
> Long ago when the MCSE was more popular, I actually started putting "MCSE
> need not apply" on job postings because everyone I interviewed that had o=
ne
> was not just clue challenged, but had negative clue.
>
>
> On Fri, 5 Jun 2015, jim deleskie wrote:
>
> Based on the number of "certified" people I've interviewed over the last
>> 20yr, my default view lines up with Jared's 100%
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 10:38 PM, Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> We need a pool on what percentage of readers just googled traceroute.
>>> On Jun 5, 2015 6:28 PM, <nanog@cdl.asgaard.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 5 Jun 2015, at 17:45, =C5=81ukasz Bromirski wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 06 Jun 2015, at 02:26, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:13 PM, John Fraizer <john@op-sec.us> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Head of line for CCIE / JNCIE but knowledge and experience trumps a
>>>>>>> piece
>>>>>>> of paper every time!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you please put these at the back of the line? My experience is
>>>>>>
>>>>> that
>>>
>>>> the cisco certification (at least) is evidence of the absence of actua=
l
>>>>>> troubleshooting skills. (or my standards of what defines =E2=80=9Ce=
xpert=E2=80=9D are
>>>>>> different than the rest of the world).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Jared, don=E2=80=99t generalize.
>>>>>
>>>>> True - there are people that are =E2=80=98paper=E2=80=99 CCIE/JNCIEs =
- but let=E2=80=99s not
>>>>> start a rant unless you've met tens of CCIEs/JNCIEs and all of them
>>>>> didn=E2=80=99t know a jack. About troubleshooting.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> 't
>>>>
>>>> We had one CCIE at a previous job who just didn't "click" no matter ho=
w
>>>> much we tried to train on the architecture. Eventually in one backbon=
e
>>>> event, he kept saying that the problem couldn't be with a given router
>>>> because "traceroute worked." When it was pointed out that the potenti=
al
>>>> fault wouldn't cause traceroute to fail, we got a very puzzled look. =
We
>>>> then asked him to explain how traceroute worked. He spectacularly
>>>>
>>> failed.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It became a tongue-in-cheek interview question. What was boggling was
>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>> number of *IE's that failed trying to explain traceroute's mechanics.
>>>>
>>>> My test, as crass as it is. If your CV headlines with a JCIE/CCIE, I =
am
>>>> pretty certain that you have very little real-world experience. If it=
's
>>>>
>>> a
>>>
>>>> footnote somewhere, that's ok.
>>>>
>>>> Christopher
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =E2=80=94
>>>>> CCIE #15929 R&S/SP, CCDE #2012::17
>>>>> (not that I=E2=80=99d know anything about troubleshooting of course)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>
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