[180539] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Brandon Ross)
Sat Jun 6 09:53:13 2015
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2015 09:53:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brandon Ross <bross@pobox.com>
To: jim deleskie <deleskie@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAJL_ZMPSsdHCkT8UWW+f6NT=kPWvxP1aPF+y4kpAAg24SB9NGQ@mail.gmail.com>
Cc: NANOG Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
I also concur. There is most certainly a negative correlation between=20
certs and clue in my experience, having met 10s of certificate holders.
Long ago when the MCSE was more popular, I actually started putting "MCSE=
=20
need not apply" on job postings because everyone I interviewed that had=20
one was not just clue challenged, but had negative clue.
On Fri, 5 Jun 2015, jim deleskie wrote:
> Based on the number of "certified" people I've interviewed over the las=
t
> 20yr, my default view lines up with Jared's 100%
>
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 10:38 PM, Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> We need a pool on what percentage of readers just googled traceroute.
>> On Jun 5, 2015 6:28 PM, <nanog@cdl.asgaard.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5 Jun 2015, at 17:45, =C5=81ukasz Bromirski wrote:
>>>
>>> On 06 Jun 2015, at 02:26, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:13 PM, John Fraizer <john@op-sec.us> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Head of line for CCIE / JNCIE but knowledge and experience trumps =
a
>>>>>> piece
>>>>>> of paper every time!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you please put these at the back of the line? My experience is
>> that
>>>>> the cisco certification (at least) is evidence of the absence of ac=
tual
>>>>> troubleshooting skills. (or my standards of what defines =E2=80=9C=
expert=E2=80=9D are
>>>>> different than the rest of the world).
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jared, don=E2=80=99t generalize.
>>>>
>>>> True - there are people that are =E2=80=98paper=E2=80=99 CCIE/JNCIEs=
- but let=E2=80=99s not
>>>> start a rant unless you've met tens of CCIEs/JNCIEs and all of them
>>>> didn=E2=80=99t know a jack. About troubleshooting.
>>>>
>>>
>>> 't
>>>
>>> We had one CCIE at a previous job who just didn't "click" no matter h=
ow
>>> much we tried to train on the architecture. Eventually in one backbo=
ne
>>> event, he kept saying that the problem couldn't be with a given route=
r
>>> because "traceroute worked." When it was pointed out that the potent=
ial
>>> fault wouldn't cause traceroute to fail, we got a very puzzled look. =
We
>>> then asked him to explain how traceroute worked. He spectacularly
>> failed.
>>>
>>> It became a tongue-in-cheek interview question. What was boggling wa=
s
>> the
>>> number of *IE's that failed trying to explain traceroute's mechanics.
>>>
>>> My test, as crass as it is. If your CV headlines with a JCIE/CCIE, I=
am
>>> pretty certain that you have very little real-world experience. If i=
t's
>> a
>>> footnote somewhere, that's ok.
>>>
>>> Christopher
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> =E2=80=94
>>>> CCIE #15929 R&S/SP, CCDE #2012::17
>>>> (not that I=E2=80=99d know anything about troubleshooting of course)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>
>
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