[180521] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (jim deleskie)
Fri Jun 5 21:53:19 2015
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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2015 22:53:10 -0300
From: jim deleskie <deleskie@gmail.com>
To: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com>
Cc: NANOG Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
Based on the number of "certified" people I've interviewed over the last
20yr, my default view lines up with Jared's 100%
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 10:38 PM, Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com>
wrote:
> We need a pool on what percentage of readers just googled traceroute.
> On Jun 5, 2015 6:28 PM, <nanog@cdl.asgaard.org> wrote:
>
> > On 5 Jun 2015, at 17:45, =C5=81ukasz Bromirski wrote:
> >
> > On 06 Jun 2015, at 02:26, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:13 PM, John Fraizer <john@op-sec.us> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Head of line for CCIE / JNCIE but knowledge and experience trumps a
> >>>> piece
> >>>> of paper every time!
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Can you please put these at the back of the line? My experience is
> that
> >>> the cisco certification (at least) is evidence of the absence of actu=
al
> >>> troubleshooting skills. (or my standards of what defines =E2=80=9Cex=
pert=E2=80=9D are
> >>> different than the rest of the world).
> >>>
> >>
> >> Jared, don=E2=80=99t generalize.
> >>
> >> True - there are people that are =E2=80=98paper=E2=80=99 CCIE/JNCIEs -=
but let=E2=80=99s not
> >> start a rant unless you've met tens of CCIEs/JNCIEs and all of them
> >> didn=E2=80=99t know a jack. About troubleshooting.
> >>
> >
> > 't
> >
> > We had one CCIE at a previous job who just didn't "click" no matter how
> > much we tried to train on the architecture. Eventually in one backbone
> > event, he kept saying that the problem couldn't be with a given router
> > because "traceroute worked." When it was pointed out that the potentia=
l
> > fault wouldn't cause traceroute to fail, we got a very puzzled look. W=
e
> > then asked him to explain how traceroute worked. He spectacularly
> failed.
> >
> > It became a tongue-in-cheek interview question. What was boggling was
> the
> > number of *IE's that failed trying to explain traceroute's mechanics.
> >
> > My test, as crass as it is. If your CV headlines with a JCIE/CCIE, I a=
m
> > pretty certain that you have very little real-world experience. If it'=
s
> a
> > footnote somewhere, that's ok.
> >
> > Christopher
> >
> >
> >
> >> =E2=80=94
> >> CCIE #15929 R&S/SP, CCDE #2012::17
> >> (not that I=E2=80=99d know anything about troubleshooting of course)
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > =E6=9D=8E=E6=9F=AF=E7=9D=BF
> > Avt tace, avt loqvere meliora silentio
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> >
>
