[180520] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mike Hale)
Fri Jun 5 21:38:35 2015
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In-Reply-To: <68F6B0FB-6064-4F18-A793-B6CEBCDCDD51@cdl.asgaard.org>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2015 18:38:31 -0700
From: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com>
To: nanog@cdl.asgaard.org
Cc: NANOG Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
We need a pool on what percentage of readers just googled traceroute.
On Jun 5, 2015 6:28 PM, <nanog@cdl.asgaard.org> wrote:
> On 5 Jun 2015, at 17:45, =C5=81ukasz Bromirski wrote:
>
> On 06 Jun 2015, at 02:26, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:13 PM, John Fraizer <john@op-sec.us> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Head of line for CCIE / JNCIE but knowledge and experience trumps a
>>>> piece
>>>> of paper every time!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Can you please put these at the back of the line? My experience is tha=
t
>>> the cisco certification (at least) is evidence of the absence of actual
>>> troubleshooting skills. (or my standards of what defines =E2=80=9Cexpe=
rt=E2=80=9D are
>>> different than the rest of the world).
>>>
>>
>> Jared, don=E2=80=99t generalize.
>>
>> True - there are people that are =E2=80=98paper=E2=80=99 CCIE/JNCIEs - b=
ut let=E2=80=99s not
>> start a rant unless you've met tens of CCIEs/JNCIEs and all of them
>> didn=E2=80=99t know a jack. About troubleshooting.
>>
>
> 't
>
> We had one CCIE at a previous job who just didn't "click" no matter how
> much we tried to train on the architecture. Eventually in one backbone
> event, he kept saying that the problem couldn't be with a given router
> because "traceroute worked." When it was pointed out that the potential
> fault wouldn't cause traceroute to fail, we got a very puzzled look. We
> then asked him to explain how traceroute worked. He spectacularly failed=
.
>
> It became a tongue-in-cheek interview question. What was boggling was th=
e
> number of *IE's that failed trying to explain traceroute's mechanics.
>
> My test, as crass as it is. If your CV headlines with a JCIE/CCIE, I am
> pretty certain that you have very little real-world experience. If it's =
a
> footnote somewhere, that's ok.
>
> Christopher
>
>
>
>> =E2=80=94
>> CCIE #15929 R&S/SP, CCDE #2012::17
>> (not that I=E2=80=99d know anything about troubleshooting of course)
>>
>
>
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