[178653] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (joel jaeggli)
Sun Mar 1 22:14:11 2015
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Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2015 19:14:05 -0800
From: joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com>
To: Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net>
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On 3/1/15 7:24 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Scott,
>=20
> Asymmetric measured where? Between client and server or between
> servers? I'm thinking the case where we each have a server running
> locally - how do you get a high level of asymmetry in a P2P environment=
?
The most densly connected relays by definition have more outgoing than
incoming given the nature of a protocol where messages are flooded by
senders.
this is widely reflected in freenix 1000 rankings.
http://top1000.anthologeek.net/
likewise if you are and edge you will undoubtedly receive more than you
originate.
> Miles Fidelman
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Scott Helms wrote:
>>
>> Anything based on NNTP would be extremely asymmetric without
>> significant changes to the protocol or human behavior.
>>
>> We ran significant Usenet servers with binaries for nearly 20 years
>> and without for another 5 and the servers' traffic was heavily
>> asymmetric.
>>
>> On Mar 1, 2015 9:11 AM, "Miles Fidelman" <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net
>> <mailto:mfidelman@meetinghouse.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Aled Morris wrote:
>>
>>
>> Sadly we don't have many "killer applications" for symmetric
>> residential
>> bandwidth, but that's likely because we don't have the
>> infrastructure to
>> incubate these applications.
>>
>>
>> Come to think of it, if USENET software wasn't so cumbersome, I
>> kind of wonder if today's "social network" would consist of home
>> servers running NNTP - and I expect the traffic would be very
>> symmetric. (For that matter, with a few tweaks, the USENET model
>> would be great for "groupware" - anybody remember the Netscape
>> communications server that added private newsgroups and
>> authentication to the mix?)
>>
>> Miles Fidelman
>>
>>
>>
>> -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practi=
ce.
>> In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra
>>
>=20
>=20
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