[178549] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mike Hammett)
Sat Feb 28 13:04:36 2015
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2015 12:04:27 -0600 (CST)
From: Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>
To: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
In-Reply-To: <D824148D-A4A0-433B-AA82-D297977F578B@delong.com>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
You can call it, but the line has been disconnected.=20
I know tons of people with those devices. What do they do with them? Netfli=
x, Amazon, Youtube, etc. Less than 10% of even techies I know have in-home =
media... and they've already run copper or fiber everywhere anyway.=20
In-home media is likely shrinking due to the market making it so convenient=
to do it online vs. having to rip or Torrent everything you could possibly=
ever want, store it and manage the interface to get it. Look at percentage=
of traffic that was Torrent 10 years ago and percentage of traffic today t=
hat is NetFlix.=20
Do people do it? Yes. Do new people do it every day? Yes. Do normal people =
do it? No. Is it growing? No. Is it a large percentage of people? No. Even =
if it were a ton of people, would it be some flagrant violation of what I p=
roposed? In no way whatsoever.=20
I referred to dynamic channel sizes. 5, 10, 20, 30, 40 MHz would be more th=
an sufficient.=20
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Mike Hammett=20
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From: "Owen DeLong" <owen@delong.com>=20
To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net>=20
Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org>=20
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 11:51:29 AM=20
Subject: Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net=
Neutrality]=20
Mike, I call bullshit here.=20
The sales of Apple TV, Google Chromecast, Amazon=E2=80=99s streaming stick,=
TiVO Stream, and other set-top boxes that stream room to room are just too=
high to believe that people are not using these devices to move A/V inform=
ation within the home. Add to that the number of people who use tablet/cell=
ular capabilities like AirPlay to stream content from their phone/tablet to=
their A/V systems and I think you=E2=80=99re well beyond 5% of the market =
and growing.=20
Owen=20
> On Feb 28, 2015, at 07:57 , Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:=20
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> Over 95% of the people don't do anything of the sort (probably much close=
r to 100 than 95). The most common usage is tablets and phones going to Fac=
ebook, YouTube and Netflix. Regular consumers couldn't care less about anyt=
hing else. If you think otherwise, you've (perhaps thankfully) spent too lo=
ng away from your standard consumer).=20
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> From: "James R Cutler" <james.cutler@consultant.com>=20
> To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net>=20
> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org>=20
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 9:04:56 AM=20
> Subject: Re: symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on N=
et Neutrality]=20
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> On Feb 28, 2015, at 9:19 AM, Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net > wrote:=20
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> Only have a 25 meg Internet service? Use a 5 MHz channel, not 160 MHz.=20
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> So, if I use wireless to my, for example, Apple TV, I should limit the ra=
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> I=E2=80=99m not certain that is reasonable.=20
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