[178488] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Naslund, Steve)
Fri Feb 27 18:30:40 2015
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: "Naslund, Steve" <SNaslund@medline.com>
To: William Waites <wwaites@tardis.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 23:24:17 +0000
In-Reply-To: <20150227.193238.315861968627315258.wwaites@tardis.ed.ac.uk>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
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>William Waites wrote:
>This is a self-fulling prophecy. As long as the edge networks have asymmet=
ry built into them popular programs and services will be developed that are=
structured to >account for this. As long as the popular programs and servi=
ces are made like this, the "average user"
>will not know that they might want something different.
This is so wrong headed I don't know where to begin. As an ISP I build the=
network to provide what consumers want, that is how you stay in business a=
nd attract customers.
>It doesn't have to be this way, its an artefact of a choice on the part of=
the larger (mostly telephone company) ISPs in the 1990s. It also happens t=
o suit capital because it >is more obvious how to make money at the expense=
of the users with an asymmetric network and centralised "Web 2.0" style se=
rvices.
Wrong again. I was an ISP in the 1990s and our first DSL offerings were SD=
SL symmetric services to replace more expensive T-1 circuits. When we got =
into residential it was with SDSL and then the consumers wanted more downst=
ream so ADSL was invented. I was there, I know this. I did not make more =
money because I sent traffic toward the user rather than up from the user. =
In fact, it cost us lots of money to beef up OUR connections to our Tier 1=
providers to account for the high level of user download traffic. We woul=
d have loved it if all our users talked amongst themselves but that is not =
how the world works.
>Thankfully the cracks are starting to show. I was pleased to hear the surp=
rised and shocked praise when I installed a symmetric radio service to some=
one in the >neighbourhood and it was no longer painful for them to upload t=
heir photographs. Multi-party videoconferencing doesn't work well unless at=
least one participant (or a >server) is on good, symmetric bandwidth. Thes=
e are just boring mundane applications. Imagine the more interesting ones t=
hat might emerge if the restriction of >asymmetry was no longer commonplace=
..
To that I will just say that if your average user spend as much time videoc=
onferencing as they do watching streaming media then they are probably a bu=
siness.
Steven Naslund
Chicago IL
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