[178028] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: gmail spam help
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Suresh Ramasubramanian)
Thu Feb 12 20:04:28 2015
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In-Reply-To: <54DCCF7B.10306@vocalabs.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 06:34:25 +0530
From: Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com>
To: Daniel Taylor <dtaylor@vocalabs.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
Please. Gmail isn't ever likely to use long dead hobbyist block lists.
On Feb 12, 2015 9:38 PM, "Daniel Taylor" <dtaylor@vocalabs.com> wrote:
> Possibly related: http://www.ahbl.org/content/changes-ahbl
>
> We had to manually remove it from spamassassin for our local installation=
,
> and I am pretty sure that a lot of sites still haven't figured it out so
> there's a lot of false positives being generated all over the place to
> throw off even filters that don't use it directly.
>
> On 02/12/2015 09:54 AM, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
>
>> Mainly because I own it, and the people who use it. The server has been
>> around 10+ years and has tight oversight. SPF is proper. This is a recen=
t
>> issue.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Scott Helms [mailto:khelms@zcorum.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 10:51 AM
>> To: Alex Rubenstein
>> Cc: Josh Luthman; NANOG list
>> Subject: Re: gmail spam help
>>
>> I'd be interested to know how you can be so adamant about the lack of
>> spam from this specific server. A great percentage of the spam hitting
>> servers I have visibility into comes from very similar kinds of set ups
>> because they tend to have little or no over sight in place.
>>
>> Also, lots of commercial email gets flagged as spam by users, even when
>> they opted in for the email. If enough people flagged email from this
>> server as spam it will cause Google to consider other email from the sam=
e
>> small server as likely to be spam as well. Small systems, especially ne=
w
>> ones, tend to unintentionally look like spam sources by not having prope=
r
>> reverse records, making sure you have SPF set up for the domain, etc.
>>
>>
>> Scott Helms
>> Vice President of Technology
>> ZCorum
>> (678) 507-5000
>> --------------------------------
>> http://twitter.com/kscotthelms
>> --------------------------------
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Alex Rubenstein <alex@corp.nac.net
>> <mailto:alex@corp.nac.net>> wrote:
>> I should have been clearer.
>>
>> I have been getting complaints from my sales folks that when they send
>> emails to people who use gmail (either a gmail account or google apps) t=
hat
>> they recipient is reporting that the email is ending up in the Spam fold=
er.
>> So, I tested this myself, sending an email from alex@corp.nac.net<mailto=
:
>> alex@corp.nac.net><mailto:alex@corp.nac.net<mailto:alex@corp.nac.net>>
>> to rubenstein45@gmail.com<mailto:rubenstein45@gmail.com><mailto:
>> rubenstein45@gmail.com<mailto:rubenstein45@gmail.com>>
>>
>> [cid:image001.png@01D046AD.3B2FA890]
>>
>> This is curious to me, since @corp.nac.net<http://corp.nac.net> is a
>> small exchange implementation with only about 50 users behind it, and th=
ere
>> is no question that there is no spamming going on from here.
>>
>> So, it=E2=80=99s not a question of adding a filter or not using gmail; i=
t is not
>> me who is using gmail in this problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Josh Luthman [mailto:josh@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:
>> josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>]
>> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 9:32 AM
>> To: Alex Rubenstein
>> Cc: NANOG list
>> Subject: Re: gmail spam help
>>
>>
>> Create a filter.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340<tel:937-552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:937-552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Feb 12, 2015 8:11 AM, "Alex Rubenstein" <alex@corp.nac.net<mailto:ale=
x
>> @corp.nac.net><mailto:alex@corp.nac.net<mailto:alex@corp.nac.net>>>
>> wrote:
>> Is there anyone on-list that can help me with a world -> gmail email
>> issue, where email is being considering spam by gmail erroneously?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>
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> Daniel Taylor VP Operations Vocal Laboratories, Inc.
> dtaylor@vocalabs.com http://www.vocalabs.com/ (612)235-5711
>
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