[177377] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: discussing how to stop hacking is hacking which is now
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jim Popovitch)
Wed Jan 14 16:18:42 2015
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:17:02 -0500
From: Jim Popovitch <jimpop@gmail.com>
To: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Andrew D Kirch <Trelane@trelane.net> wrote:
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>> On Jan 14, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Jim Popovitch <jimpop@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Ken Chase <math@sizone.org> wrote:
>>> http://blog.erratasec.com/2015/01/obams-war-on-hackers.html
>>>
>>> Therefore, immediate end of this thread? Are all subscribers to this list now
>>> to be inconvenienced at airports? (Sorry, my bad.)
>>>
>>> Do we all need a CCNP Security-multipass to log into IRC now? Which channels
>>> are now a good idea to avoid? #linux? #bitcoin? #nanog? #obamasucks?
>>> #blacklivesmatter? (in Canada #idlenomore is similar and equally targetted by
>>> Palantir/Tempests as the latter was).
>>>
>>> What constitutes racketeering in 'communication'? Membership on a mailing list
>>> or just reading a webpage?
>>>
>>> [ This week I was investigating a colleague's website, so I ran dig(1) in a
>>> bash terminal in putty - she saw a text terminal, and exclaimed "Wait, stop, are
>>> you hacking my website?!" I blame Sandra Bullock and to a lesser extent Carrie
>>> Ann Moss (and the nmap crew, esp. for using actually-plausible toolsets/techniques). ]
>>>
>>> This is an age old game, but the ante has just been upped. Our industry should
>>> respond to this.
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>> One has to wonder how any of this applies to the 'countries that hack'
>> accusations that the FBI/CIA/NSA have always laid claim to.
>>
>> -Jim P.
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> Jim-
> You mean the credits page for Stuxnet?
:-)
I do mean any and nearly everything the USG has told us about how evil
hackers reside in RU, CN, and DPRK and prey on Mil computers.
-Jim P.
