[176562] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: ARIN's RPKI Relying agreement
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jared Mauch)
Thu Dec 4 13:02:03 2014
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net>
In-Reply-To: <956D6B68-CFED-44C2-A57D-66E7A612F082@arin.net>
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 13:01:51 -0500
To: John Curran <jcurran@arin.net>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
> On Dec 4, 2014, at 12:53 PM, John Curran <jcurran@arin.net> wrote:
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> On Dec 4, 2014, at 12:32 PM, George, Wes <wesley.george@twcable.com> =
wrote:
>> Those are operational matters, implemented by the staff, governed by =
the
>> board, who is informed by their legal council and staff. That is part =
of
>> the reason why I brought some of the issues to the NANOG community, =
since
>> interaction with ARIN board members and staff is what's necessary to =
make
>> sure the concerns are addressed, and thus it benefits from wider
>> discussion.
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> Wes -=20
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> I am happy to champion the change that you seek (i.e. will get it =
reviewed=20
> by legal and brought before the ARIN Board) but still need clarity on =
what=20
> change you wish to occur -
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> A) Implicit binding to the indemnification/warrant disclaimer =
clauses
> (as done by the other RIRs)
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> B) Removal of the indemnification & warranty disclaimer clause=20
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> I asked this directly during your NANOG presentation, but you did not =
respond=20
> either way. I also noted that your own business customer agreements =
have the=20
> same indemnification & non-warranty clauses (as they are common in =
nearly all
> telecommunication and ISP service agreements) - are these now being =
dropped
> by TWC in agreements?
I recall a lengthly discussion about this at the NANOG meeting that =
occurred after
the session. I think there is a very strong emotional thing here where =
we said to
you (which you seem to have forgotten) that option B above would be =
helpful as
it=E2=80=99s already covered by the general registration agreement =
(which was your assertion).
Comparing what you do with Time Warner cable seems like pure hyperbole =
and an attempt
as CEO to inflame community discussion at minimum.
- Jared
