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X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:33:56 -0500 From: Andrew Gallo <akg1330@gmail.com> To: William Herrin <bill@herrin.us>, Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net> In-Reply-To: <CAP-guGVcjPN4GS4fxsqcpGGK-GAymTA_ZB0Dr_z1b56CjNuqCA@mail.gmail.com> Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org> Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org On 12/4/2014 11:22 AM, William Herrin wrote: >>> On Dec 4, 2014, at 7:35 AM, Andrew Gallo <akg1330@gmail.com> wrote: >>> In my informal conversations, what I got was that lawyers read >>> the agreement, said 'no, we wont sign it' and then dropped it. If >>> specific legal feedback isn't making it back to ARIN, then we >>> need to start providing it, > Hi Andrew, > > The short version is that the would-be consumers of the RPKI data want the > data published in much the same way that whois data is published. Many of > the organizations aren't even in the ARIN region. Virtually any formal > contract ARIN is able to offer will be a non-starter for these folks. Understood and good point. I've heard rumblings of setting up a non-ARIN TAL, though I wonder what the value is in separating RPKI from the registry. Wouldn't this put us in the same position we're in with routing registries (with respect to data quality)? > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Bill Woodcock <woody@pch.net> wrote: >> All the specific legal feedback I’ve heard is that this is a liability > nightmare, >> and that everyone wants ARIN to take on all the liability, but nobody >> wants to pay for it. Are you hearing something more useful than that? > Hi Bill, > > No, nothing more useful. I've seen a lot of hand waving, but I still have > no clue how the publication of RPKI data places ARIN at a different risk > than publication of whois data. I think if we could better understand that, > we'd be better able assess what the next steps are. Do we beat down ARIN's > door and insist they publish the data? Do we pursue the creation of some > new organization to manage RPKI, one with intentionally shallow pockets, > and ask ARIN to cede the function? Something else? I think we all need a > better understanding of the alleged legal issue before we can zero in on > what should come next. > > For sure ARIN's current solution, a contract few will sign, is > unsatisfactory. > > Regards, > Bill Herrin > > > > -- > William Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us > Owner, Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/> > May I solve your unusual networking challenges? >
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