[175094] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: wifi blocking [was Re: Marriott wifi blocking]
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Thu Oct 9 03:44:58 2014
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <54363645.40507@cox.net>
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 00:40:33 -0700
To: Larry Sheldon <larrysheldon@cox.net>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
On Oct 9, 2014, at 12:16 AM, Larry Sheldon <larrysheldon@cox.net> wrote:
> On 10/9/2014 02:03, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>=20
>> On Oct 8, 2014, at 2:11 PM, William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> wrote:
>>=20
>>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 4:37 PM, joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com> =
wrote:
>>>> On 10/8/14 1:29 PM, Larry Sheldon wrote:
>>>>> On 10/8/2014 08:47, William Herrin wrote:
>>>>>> BART would not have had an FCC license. They'd have had contracts =
with
>>>>>> the various phone companies to co-locate equipment and provide =
wired
>>>>>> backhaul out of the tunnels. The only thing they'd be guilty of =
is
>>>>>> breach of contract, and that only if the cell phone companies =
decided
>>>>>> their behavior was inconsistent with the SLA..
>>>>>=20
>>>>> OK that makes more sense than the private answer I got from Roy. =
I
>>>>> wondered why the FCC didn't take action if there was a license =
violation.
>>>>=20
>>>> =
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/03/technology/fcc-reviews-need-for-rules-to=
-interrupt-wireless-service.html?_r=3D0
>>>=20
>>>> =46rom the article: "Among the issues on which the F.C.C. is =
seeking
>>> comment is whether it even has authority over the issue."
>>>=20
>>> Also: "The BART system owns the wireless transmitters and receivers
>>> that allow for cellphone reception within its network.=94
>>=20
>> I=92m not sure that statement is accurate. However, there is no =
prohibition against owning a Microcell or other cellular station which =
is operated by a third party under said third party=92s license.
>>=20
>>> I'm not entirely clear how that works.
>>=20
>> If that were truly the case (and I don=92t think it is, given BART =
statements that =93...the cellular providers are basically tenants and =
are as such subject to=85=94), I=92m pretty sure it would be operated by =
the cellular carrier under their license as a non-owner of the =
equipment.
>=20
> What where the laws and practices in the Olde Days of over-the-air TV =
when somebody in a small town installed a translator to repeat =
Big-Cities-TV-Station into a small town?
The translator had to be operated by a holder of an FCC license for that =
translator.
Operator and Owner are not necessarily linked in any way shape or form, =
though they usually were one and the same.
Owen
