[173659] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Carrier Grade NAT
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Corey Touchet)
Wed Jul 30 12:09:51 2014
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Corey Touchet <corey.touchet@corp.totalserversolutions.com>
To: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 16:09:42 +0000
In-Reply-To: <9945656C-6386-4DEA-B9AD-D6E53DDDFA40@delong.com>
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There=B9s still a lot of websites that are not with the times.
No ipv6 on CNN, FOX, or NBC news websites.
Slashdot.org shame on you!
Comcast and AT&T work, but not Verizon. No surprise there. Power company
nope.
I think CGN is fine for 99% of customers out there. Until the iPhone came
out Verizon Wireless had natted all their blackberry customers and saved
million=B9s of IP=B9s. Then Apple and Google blew a hole into that plan.
Then again I=B9m for IPv4 just running out and finally pushing people to
adopt. The US Govt has done a better job of moving to IPv6 than private
industry which frankly is amazing all things considered.
Comcast is pushing over 1TBPS of IPv6 traffic, but I=B9m sure that=B9s main=
ly
video from Youtube and Netflix.
On 7/30/14, 9:45 AM, "Owen DeLong" <owen@delong.com> wrote:
>The only actual residential data I can offer is my own. I am fully dual
>stack and about 40% of my traffic is IPv6. I am a netflix subscriber, but
>also an amazon prime member.
>
>I will say that if amazon would get off the dime and support IPv6, it
>would make a significant difference.
>
>Other than amazon and my financial institutions and Kaiser, living
>without IPv4 wouldn't actually pose a hardship as near as I can tell from
>my day without v4 experiment on June 6.
>
>I know Kaiser is working on it. Amazon apparently recently hired Yuri
>Rich to work on their issues. So that would leave my financial
>institutions.=20
>
>I think we are probably less than 5 years from residential IPv4 becoming
>a service that carries a surcharge, if available.
>
>Owen
>
>
>> On Jul 29, 2014, at 22:42, Julien Goodwin <nanog@studio442.com.au>
>>wrote:
>>=20
>>> On 29/07/14 22:22, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>>> On Jul 29, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> wrote:
>>>> In message <20140729225352.GO7836@hezmatt.org>, Matt Palmer writes:
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 09:28:53AM +1200, Tony Wicks wrote:
>>>>>> 2. IPv6 is nice (dual stack) but the internet without IPv4 is not a
>>>>>>viable
>>>>>> thing, perhaps one day, but certainly not today (I really hate
>>>>>>clueless
>>>>>> people who shout to the hills that IPv6 is the "solution" for
>>>>>>today's
>>>>>> internet access)
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Do you have IPv6 deployed and available to your entire customer
>>>>>base, so
>>>>> that those who want to use it can do so? To my way of thinking,
>>>>>CGNAT is
>>>>> probably going to be the number one driver of IPv6 adoption amongst
>>>>>the
>>>>> broad customer base, *as long as their ISP provides it*.
>>>>=20
>>>> Add to that over half your traffic will switch to IPv6 as long as
>>>> the customer has a IPv6 capable CPE. That's a lot less logging you
>>>> need to do from day 1.
>>>=20
>>> That would be nice, but I=B9m not 100% convinced that it is true.
>>>=20
>>> Though it will be an increasing percentage over time.
>>>=20
>>> Definitely a good way of reducing the load on your CGN, with the
>>>additional benefit
>>> that your network is part of the solution rather than part of the
>>>problem.
>>=20
>> Being on the content provider side I don't know the actual percentages
>> in practice, but in the NANOG region you've got Google/Youtube, NetFlix,
>> Akamai & Facebook all having a significant amount of their services v6
>> native.
>>=20
>> I'd be very surprised if these four together weren't a majority of any
>> consumer-facing network's traffic in peak times.
