[173658] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Carrier Grade NAT
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Wed Jul 30 11:51:12 2014
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <53D885B5.6040606@studio442.com.au>
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 08:45:21 -0700
To: Julien Goodwin <nanog@studio442.com.au>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
The only actual residential data I can offer is my own. I am fully dual stac=
k and about 40% of my traffic is IPv6. I am a netflix subscriber, but also a=
n amazon prime member.
I will say that if amazon would get off the dime and support IPv6, it would m=
ake a significant difference.=20
Other than amazon and my financial institutions and Kaiser, living without I=
Pv4 wouldn't actually pose a hardship as near as I can tell from my day with=
out v4 experiment on June 6.=20
I know Kaiser is working on it. Amazon apparently recently hired Yuri Rich t=
o work on their issues. So that would leave my financial institutions.=20
I think we are probably less than 5 years from residential IPv4 becoming a s=
ervice that carries a surcharge, if available.=20
Owen
> On Jul 29, 2014, at 22:42, Julien Goodwin <nanog@studio442.com.au> wrote:
>=20
>> On 29/07/14 22:22, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>> On Jul 29, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> wrote:
>>> In message <20140729225352.GO7836@hezmatt.org>, Matt Palmer writes:
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 09:28:53AM +1200, Tony Wicks wrote:
>>>>> 2. IPv6 is nice (dual stack) but the internet without IPv4 is not a vi=
able
>>>>> thing, perhaps one day, but certainly not today (I really hate clueles=
s
>>>>> people who shout to the hills that IPv6 is the "solution" for today's
>>>>> internet access)
>>>>=20
>>>> Do you have IPv6 deployed and available to your entire customer base, s=
o
>>>> that those who want to use it can do so? To my way of thinking, CGNAT i=
s
>>>> probably going to be the number one driver of IPv6 adoption amongst the=
>>>> broad customer base, *as long as their ISP provides it*.
>>>=20
>>> Add to that over half your traffic will switch to IPv6 as long as
>>> the customer has a IPv6 capable CPE. That's a lot less logging you
>>> need to do from day 1.
>>=20
>> That would be nice, but I=A1=AFm not 100% convinced that it is true.
>>=20
>> Though it will be an increasing percentage over time.
>>=20
>> Definitely a good way of reducing the load on your CGN, with the addition=
al benefit
>> that your network is part of the solution rather than part of the problem=
.
>=20
> Being on the content provider side I don't know the actual percentages
> in practice, but in the NANOG region you've got Google/Youtube, NetFlix,
> Akamai & Facebook all having a significant amount of their services v6
> native.
>=20
> I'd be very surprised if these four together weren't a majority of any
> consumer-facing network's traffic in peak times.
