[173545] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Miles Fidelman)
Mon Jul 28 00:40:08 2014
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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 00:39:50 -0400
From: Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net>
To: North American Network Operators Group <nanog@nanog.org>
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Bill Woodcock wrote:
> On Jul 27, 2014, at 9:08 PM, Richard Bennett <richard@bennett.com> wrot=
e:
>> The essence of NN is for the eyeballs to pay for the entire cost of th=
e network and for edge providers to use it for free; isn't that what Netf=
lix is asking the FCC to impose?
> I won=92t presume to speak for Netflix, and I won=92t presume to provid=
e a canonical definition of =93network neutrality.=94 However, I can say=
what global prevailing business practice is, since I=92ve actually surve=
yed and quantified it:
>
> Each network (regardless of whether they term themselves =93eyeball,=94=
=93content,=94 =93edge,=94 or whatever) delivering a packet pays their o=
wn way to the IXP of their choice that the other party is present at, eac=
h network receiving a packet pays their own way from the IXP of their cou=
nterpart=92s choice that they=92re present at, independently in each dire=
ction. Thus, where content networks interconnect with eyeball networks, =
when they follow the best practice engaged in by 99.73% of all network-pa=
irs, the eyeball network=92s customers pay them to deliver traffic to an =
IXP of their choice and from an IXP of the content network=92s choice, wh=
ile the content network=92s customers pay them to deliver traffic to an I=
XP of their choice and from an IXP of the eyeball network's choice, long =
in, short out. No money changes hands between the two networks, because =
no value is exchanged between the two networks. Each network pays their =
own way, and is in turn paid by their customer. Because they=92re each pr=
oviding value to their customers, not to each other.
>
> In 0.27% of cases, the parties aren=92t able to see their way to follow=
ing best practices, and some fraction of those are disputes between conte=
nt and eyeball networks of the sort that you=92re describing.
>
> -Bill
>
Bill,
Can you say more about what you've done to "survey and quantify"=20
prevailing practices?
And... given that Netflix is reportedly about 1/3 of Internet traffic=20
these days, and Verizon is huge - how does that come out to .27% of=20
cases (leaving aside other recent disputes like L3-Cogent, and=20
Netflix-Comcast)?
Miles Fidelman
--=20
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra
