[173412] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Netflix To Cogent To World
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Adam Rothschild)
Wed Jul 23 13:18:44 2014
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Adam Rothschild <asr@latency.net>
In-Reply-To: <F9E28386-84CC-4368-9426-341A885F754C@isprime.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 13:18:30 -0400
To: Phil Rosenthal <pr@isprime.com>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
Comcast=92s position is that they could buy transit from some obscure =
networks who don=92t really have a viable transit offering, such as DT =
and China Telecom, and implement some convoluted load balancing =
mechanism to scale up traffic.
(I believe this was in one of Jason Livingood=92s posts to =
broadbandreports, unfortunately I don=92t have a citation handy.)
On Jul 23, 2014, at 1:09 PM, Phil Rosenthal <pr@isprime.com> wrote:
> With this war of blog posts =97 perhaps Netflix should ask this =
question:
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> Who can we buy transit from who has sufficient peering capacity to =
reach Comcast=92s and Verizon=92s customers?
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> -P
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> On Jul 23, 2014, at 1:00 PM, Adam Rothschild <asr@latency.net> wrote:
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>> I think the confusion by Jay and others is that there is a plethora =
of commercial options available for sending traffic to Comcast or =
Verizon, at scale and absent congestion. I contend that there is not.
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>> I, too, have found Netflix highly responsive and professional, as a =
peering partner...
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>> $0.02,
>> -a
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>> On Jul 23, 2014, at 11:31 AM, Bob Evans <bob@FiberInternetCenter.com> =
wrote:
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>>> Most likely Netflix writes policies to filter known cogent conflict
>>> peers...Chances are they use cogent to reach the cogent customer =
base and
>>> other peers. I know from experience that peering directly with =
Netflix
>>> works very well....they don't depend heavily on transit delivery if =
direct
>>> peering is possible.
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>>> Thank You
>>> Bob Evans
>>> CTO
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>>>>> If I were Netflix, why would I buy all my transit from Cogent[1], =
given
>>>>> Cogent's propensity for getting into peering fights with people
>>>>> *already*,
>>>>> even before *I* start sending them 1000:1 asymmetric outbound =
traffic?
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>>>> Perhaps Netflix expect this to be an ongoing problem with moree =
ISPs
>>>> asking them to pay to deliver (following Bretts lead ;-), so with =
their
>>>> previous transits experience why would they continue to buy from =
pussies?
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>>>>> So why would Cogent offer Netflix a helluva deal?
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>>>> Previous events have shown Cognet only use live rounds, so why =
would they
>>>> not take the opportunity to get a bigger gun?
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>>>> Mutually assured domination. Perhaps one will buy the other =
sometime.
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>>>> brandon
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